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post #11 of 23 Old 01-08-2013, 10:10 PM
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I don't do barrels, but I do pattern work. Yes, starting slow is good so that you aren't just running blind, but there is a point where you can't just let the horse be a mindless drone.

The veteran Games horse at festival knows the games we play as if his eyes were closed. But the second its "show time" you better have your game on or else he takes advantage. Cuts corners, gets sloppy, etc. And this was my folly in simply relying him as a mindless drone. It landed me in a face full of dirt because I was expecting him to be reliable and simply "do his thing." Nope. He cut the corner suddenly and I wasn't expecting it and down I went. In front of an audience.

None the less, we walk trot and canter a few times to get the pattern down so they have an idea of what is expected. From there, we up the ante and go for it like we would for real.

Edit: And mind you, Shooter is a 20 year old bomb proof gelding who we consider our babysitter.

^^^THAT is what you DO NOT want to do when training a horse.......no matter how old the horse is. It takes roughly 2 years before a horse is ready for speed. It isn't all about speed and how fast you can go. You need to properly teach the horse HOW to do it CORRECTLY and that takes time.
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Mind is how far the horse WILL go,
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post #12 of 23 Old 01-08-2013, 10:25 PM
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^^^ Precisely what BarrelRacingLvr said.

The reason we take out time to train a barrel horse is that so they CAN do their job mostly by themselves, with little help from the rider. We take out time so they learn to make the turns correctly, without cutting corners, or shouldering in, or coming off a barrel wide.

Barrel horses aren't "mindless drones". We want them to learn the pattern correctly so they can think for themselves.

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post #13 of 23 Old 01-08-2013, 10:41 PM
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I agree with what both you guys said! A serious barrel horse takes years of work there's no cutting corners in this sport. Going too fast before the horse is ready=accidents!
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post #14 of 23 Old 01-08-2013, 11:08 PM
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I think finding the happy medium is key.

I think you can ruin horses by being overly repetitive w slow work. Let them KNOW their job is to clock.

And I also think you can ruin one by going too fast.
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post #15 of 23 Old 01-09-2013, 12:04 AM
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I personally have never heard of a horse been ruined by doing slow work, as long as you are doing it proberlly there is no way to ruin them
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I personally have never heard of a horse been ruined by doing slow work, as long as you are doing it proberlly there is no way to ruin them
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Yes there is.....you can sour a horse 2 ways when training them.

1. Doing TO MUCH of something
2. And NOT ENOUGH of something

Yes you need repetition, but not so much as Groundhogs day over and over.

Conformation is how far the horse CAN go,
Mind is how far the horse WILL go,
Training is how far it DOES go.
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post #17 of 23 Old 01-09-2013, 12:17 AM
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I think you missed the entire point of what Hope was saying.

You can't never add speed at home and then go to a show and be whipping and spurring and trying to go fast. They won't have a freakin' clue what to do. They'll get frazzled, or they won't go at all because they don't understand it's a speed event.

She said let them know their job is to clock. Their job is to run, and run hard. Not plod around the barrels but hey, he stopped at the rate point and used his body right at the walk eh? Must be good!

No. Going slow is great but you need the happy medium like she said. Sometimes, I'll really push a horse going into a barrel and then slow them WAY down. Sometimes I'll push and not slow down. Sometimes I let them pick a speed. Sometimes I demand they go slow. But on a finished horse, they have to know their job is haul tail.

Pssh.I didn't pick up the wrong lead
It's called a counter canter...
...A very advanced maneuver.
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post #18 of 23 Old 01-09-2013, 12:19 AM
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Yes i do do fast work at home too just now till i am done pattrening at the slow stuff
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post #19 of 23 Old 01-09-2013, 12:29 AM
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I agree horses start to hate doing the same thing over and over thats why some start to anticipate and get nervous in the gate cause all they do is run the same pattren over and over
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post #20 of 23 Old 01-09-2013, 12:32 AM
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I personally have never heard of a horse been ruined by doing slow work, as long as you are doing it proberlly there is no way to ruin them
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And you also haven't "heard" how bits properly work so your posts are becoming less and less factual and most importantly, knowledgeable.

If my horse can properly turn a barrel, pray tell what the point of doing it over and over again is?
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