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post #1 of 8 Old 07-08-2012, 10:11 AM Thread Starter
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Question Turns Too Wide !

Okay, so i have a 9yr old AQHA/Foundation Mare. She is training in barrels, we are loping the pattern. She is an awesome horse, has great turns, except the 2nd barrel. When i go into the 2nd, its fine but coming out we take an extremely wide turn. I thought it might have been the bit, so i tried a stronger one, she ignores it. Oh and she does not respond to kicking at all ! She is a squeeze horse. I really dont know what to do.
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post #2 of 8 Old 07-08-2012, 10:36 AM
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Do you have a video? I think I have an idea of what she is doing....

How big of pocket are you giving her going in? She might need more room and to stay more rounded to keep her in from bowing out.

And how are you asking her to turn? Are you pulling to your hip, are you lifting straight up...what are your hands doing when asking her to turn?

Also when she does bow out MAKE her go around the barrel again until she is where YOU want her to be. And if she keeps doing it stop loping the pattern and do some simple exercises off the pattern. Do spirals around barrles, tires, anything that is as wide as a barrel.

Lope her to the barrel then trot her around it and over exaggerate making her finish, get right next to the barrel coming out and head to the opposite side of the 3rd until your halfway there then have her move back over and get ready for your pocket.

Also a bit isn't going to help......neither is kicking. You need to get her light to leg pressure and work on putting her where you want her to go.

Conformation is how far the horse CAN go,
Mind is how far the horse WILL go,
Training is how far it DOES go.
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I'm going to jump way ahead of the game here, cause I only have a second. Odie did the same thing going to the left. After endless bits, excercises, drills, etc, etc. I broke down and had him x-rayed. His whole back end is messed up! In a nut shell his legs are the same length, but his bones aren't (his joints break at different points) and when he would set up for the turn it compounded the issue and made it worse.

Long story short, if you're serious about seriously running don't forget to take a look at how your horses bosy is put together.
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My mare Penney is doing the same on the first barrel but dose it perfect on the second barrel. Im not up to running yet but it really annoys me when she dose it.
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Maybe she isn't switching leads in between?
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One drill I know at a trot that helps. You can trot around the barrels and then when you get out of the barre, you counter flex[turn your horse's head the other way it was going out of the barrel] and gently push them over with some leg pressure then release when the horse gives it's head nd moves. I do this around all 3 barrels.
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One drill I know at a trot that helps. You can trot around the barrels and then when you get out of the barre, you counter flex[turn your horse's head the other way it was going out of the barrel] and gently push them over with some leg pressure then release when the horse gives it's head nd moves. I do this around all 3 barrels.
thanks I will try that
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Following up kinda-sorta on the same path Bubbles went on....

Are you absolutely positive you have control of your horses body?

Selena will often try and cheat me when we first start on the pattern by either blowing out or shouldering when she feels a little disobedient. Which is why I always start my rides off with counter-arc circles, haunch turns, and rollbacks to make sure I have control of the shoulder. This always tends to bring the horse's mind back to you, loosens them up, gets them thinking a little. You have control of the shoulder, you have control of the horse.

Be sure when you go into your turn, you're about three or four feet away to start the pocket, then pretty close coming out. Use inside leg about three strides before the turn to establish some bend, then sit and support her with your inside leg but use your outside leg to really bring her shoulder across the finish the turn. When you are schooling, if she tries to blow out, I would break the gait, haunch turn her into the barrel, then start circling it the opposite direction. When she goes out fine, let her go to the next barrel, stop, and rest.

Pssh.I didn't pick up the wrong lead
It's called a counter canter...
...A very advanced maneuver.
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