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        01-02-2014, 07:28 PM
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    Green Broke
    Exclamation We have a bad case of shouldering.. sigh..only when adding speed..

    Like the title says, I can trot the barrels and Sunny has great bend, great rate, great turns.. Well in my opinion.. Then when I get to a lope he shoulder the barrel, starts turning to soon, resulting in us hitting a barrel.

    I go to the left first, as I think that is is roughest turn.

    Today, a friend and I trailered our horses to Spicers Arena(surpirsed my dad let me and its a step:)--- ALSO this ground is SOO nice.

    Anyways we were warming up circles spins, rollbacks, sidepassing:).. Sunny did.. WELL AMAZING. This is his first time EVER trailered to a new area since I have bought him.. about 3-4 years ago.

    When we started practicing barrels, I trotted them, my friends horse is a bit more finished-BADASS horse.. lol.. and decided- Hey he is doing great.. lets lope:)!

    Wasn't to bad.. be he shoulders and dives like a turd face.. other than that he listens.. He cuts to close to the barrels and pretty much everything that I don't want him doing.. as soon as I add some speed..

    My question is.. IF I make a bigger pocket. ( just for now).. get him more relaxed in his lope.. can that help his shouldering?

    Any other ideas? Sorry I didn't get a video..

    But Trying to describe what was going on.. turning the barrel I felt like his front legs were going to slip out from under him.. so I didn't add any real speed because I was concerned about falling.. :)

    Thanks in advance for the tips:).. Next time I go I guess I could try and get a video.. Since my camerca is broken right now.. sigh..
         
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        01-02-2014, 08:45 PM
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    Yearling
    Do circles. Get your bend down without the barrels at WTC. Get him listening and hot off both your legs so that when you add the barrels in the equation he's listening to your cues and not thinking about diving in.

    Good luck!
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        01-03-2014, 11:32 AM
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    Green Broke
    Making the pocket bigger won't help you. The real problem is that you don't have control of his shoulder. If you make the pocket bigger, but don't learn how to control his shoulder, he'll just run over the barrel that much sooner and harder.

    A video would be really helpful.

    I am going to assume that you think you have control of his shoulder at walk and trot ... But you actually don't. (Assuming this without seeing a video)

    To teach this, I'll try to post some training videos later, but do lots of circle work where you make big circles spiral to smaller circles and back out again. The whole time, keeping that should UP. And his hind end engaged. And nose in. And a nice bend throughout his body.

    When you have that control good enough at a walk, trot, and canter (away from the barrels), then you can also work on counter arcs.

    When you get your horse THAT broke away from the barrels, then barrels becomes easy because you can already move your horse in or out, with the smallest cue.
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        01-03-2014, 03:12 PM
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    Green Broke
    Here's a couple videos on barrel work.





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    Originally Posted by barrelbeginner    
    Like the title says, I can trot the barrels and Sunny has great bend, great rate, great turns.. Well in my opinion.. Then when I get to a lope he shoulder the barrel, starts turning to soon, resulting in us hitting a barrel.
    Don't let him turn too soon. You've got to have body control over him. You need to be able to control his body at any speed, at any time.

    As I said above, I'm guessing you do not have the body control on him you think you do, and those holes show when you pick up the pace.

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    but he shoulders and dives like a turd face.. other than that he listens.. He cuts to close to the barrels and pretty much everything that I don't want him doing.. as soon as I add some speed..
    Again, get better control on him. It doesn't matter what speed you are going, he should listen to you at all times. And he should place his body where you tell him. This in and of itself really has nothing to do with barrels; you need to get him more broke.

    Back to basics!!
         

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