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        08-31-2010, 12:11 PM
      #41
    Trained
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    Originally Posted by Frankiee    
    You have a point nrhareiner.

    But that is the way your horse is trained, in the end it really all depends on your horse. If you and your horse can do everything without them why decide to train with them in the first place????

    It is really simple. They are used to make the cue as light and subtle as possible. I do not want to have to push hard with my leg. I do not want to to have to move my leg very fare to change my cue from shoulder to ribs to hip. My heal is about 2-3 in wide. My spur is all of 1/8th of a inch wide. It takes much much less to get the horse to move. I can get my horse to lope off from a walk with must my calf. Do not even need a heal or spur. Why? B/c she knows from training that if she dose not the next will be a light tap with my spur. Now she does not even think about not doing it. I never let my horses think they have a choice and in the end I have no argument about anything.


    just wondering. Yes it make movement sharper but did you ever wonder why. I honestly don't know but in my opinion would be that the pressure is more intense and my hurt a little more?

    Does it hurt more? Well Would you rather me hit you as hard as I can with my fist or Just nudge you with my finger? My fist is larger will cover more area will disperse the pressure but I am also using more force. OR I can take my finger which is very precise put it on your side and give a light push. That is the difference between a heal and a spur. I do not care how light you think you are with your heal I will bet I am even lighter with my spur. The horse moves immediately no question and at times you need that. If I am coming around into the middle of my large fast circle and I need my horse to move over a bit to make sure I am hitting the middle I can put my inside leg on the horse and they will move over even at a fast lope.

    But then again the cues is cleaner, idk . I guess it depend on how you use them. But I still don't llike them.
    They make the cue a lot more clear and lighter. Not everyone should use spurs. They do not have enough control over their leg. Once they do they should always use spurs.
         
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        08-31-2010, 09:42 PM
      #42
    Weanling
    That makes alot more sense to me now thanks. :) There is just one thing I am very light when riding my horse dakota and I believe using spurs on her would be a desaster cause she is already trained with the lightess pressure possible with your heel. But with other horses I ride. Yes its probely true you are lighter with your spurs then I am with my heels. There is just so many poeple that use the spurs incerreclty.
         
        08-31-2010, 09:47 PM
      #43
    Weanling
    And no even if you have the best control with your legs you don't always should use spurs. It depends on your horse! If you don't need them you don't have to use them.
         
        08-31-2010, 09:54 PM
      #44
    Trained
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by nrhareiner    
    . Not everyone should use spurs. They do not have enough control over their leg. Once they do they should always use spurs.
    I don't think a person should "always" have use spurs, just because they have a good leg...I have steady legs, but prefer to not use spurs. I have used spurs probably once or twice in the last year or two. My mare that I have currently, responds to my body shifting, let along me putting a spur on her...I've bumped her with my leg alone, and she moves quickly into the position I want her. Most of the horses I have owned, or trained wind up that way, so I don't think a spur is truly necessary to get a quick response. I have no problem with people who DO spur train their horses, but I don't think "everyone" persay "needs" to...
         
        08-31-2010, 10:52 PM
      #45
    Trained
    Why is it that everyone things b/c you have a spur on your foot you have to use it. If you have good control of your leg you can cue your horse with never putting the spur on the horse. If and when I need a very subtle cue I use the spur. If you are running a large fast circle you need that little extra that a spur gives you so you can move the horse over with out any one noticing. Not many people do this or need to do this and not many horses will do it the instant they are asked. All mine will. Why? B/C they have been trained to move off the very lightest pressure and the spur gives that that light pressure it also give me a bit more reach that you do not get with out a spur. If you do not feel comfortable using them that is fine. However it is like anything. They are there when needed does not mean you have to use them.
         
        08-31-2010, 11:11 PM
      #46
    Banned
    I haven't ridden in spurs yet, but I know if a horse is trained properly, they shouldn't need them. I ride horses that have been trained from the get go with spurs. But I can make them do everything my instructor can with spurs without using spurs myself. It does make it a little harder for me when they aren't so willing to go forward. But I can get them going with a quick slap on the hind quarters and a firm kick to the sides.

    I believe spurs should only be used on the Demand step of the ask, tell, demand process. They sould never be used for every question of every level every time you ask for something. It just makes a horse resistant just like a hard handed rider in a harsh bit makes a horses mouth hard
         
        08-31-2010, 11:26 PM
      #47
    Foal
    I think spurs should only be used with a ride that has a good lower leg and only for lateral movement if the horse needs it.
         
        08-31-2010, 11:27 PM
      #48
    Trained
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by A knack for horses    
    I haven't ridden in spurs yet, but I know if a horse is trained properly, they shouldn't need them. I ride horses that have been trained from the get go with spurs. But I can make them do everything my instructor can with spurs without using spurs myself. It does make it a little harder for me when they aren't so willing to go forward. But I can get them going with a quick slap on the hind quarters and a firm kick to the sides.

    Spurs are not to make a horse go forward or faster. They are to move a horse laterally. Can you imagine a reining horse needing to be slapped on the rear and a firm kick to the side to get them to do something? Using spurs has nothing to do with a horse being properly trained. They have everything to do with the slightest cue.

    I believe spurs should only be used on the Demand step of the ask, tell, demand process. They sould never be used for every question of every level every time you ask for something. It just makes a horse resistant just like a hard handed rider in a harsh bit makes a horses mouth hard
    I agree that a spur is not an end all be all of cuing. However spurs do not make a horse dead sided any more then a bit makes a horse hard mouthed. That comes from the rider and their hands and leg. You can make a horse hard mouthed with a side pull or snaffle just like you can make them dead sided with your bare foot.
         
        08-31-2010, 11:52 PM
      #49
    Trained
    To each his own, I guess...I prefer not to use them unless I need them and others have them on for every ride. Can I use them? Sure...it's just my personal choice not to...it has nothing to do with thinking that they are cruel, or useless tools...if I were a top competitor and trainer, I would probably use them more for fine tuning, but I'm not, nor will I likely ever be, so I will just enjoy horses that are taught to respond to voice (for gaits) and light application of the leg for other movements.
         
        09-01-2010, 07:35 AM
      #50
    Weanling
    Well put mom2pride I agree 100%
         

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