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post #21 of 32 Old 01-18-2012, 05:33 AM
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Well, I've never heard the ground "reason". Could be a reason I suppose.

Most people that I know/talk to switch to keep their horses mouth fresh and not accustomed to one bit 24/7.

I know I try not to do too much dry work in the loomis. I switch back and forth between the comfort snaffle. One thing I always do tho is keep the bit a touch looser at home and tighten it a hole at a run for a quicker response. I pay too much money and entry fee not to take small precautions.
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post #22 of 32 Old 01-18-2012, 11:13 PM
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Well....I ride every day mostly in a snaffle unless I'm actually going to work a barrel pattern (Sometimes when I do drills too, not always) and then like a week before actually competing I put them only in their competition bit. But that being said, who doesn't go back to a snaffle when they're just training things? Most efficient thing to do IMHO.

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The main logic behind it is that the ground you run at in competition is not always the same conditions you run at home.

If you are running on hard, fast ground, you may need a bit with a little more rate to control your horse better.

If the ground is muddy and slippery, you may need a light bit that gives your horse more freedom to move as needed.

If it's a large pattern, again, you may need a bit with more rate as you approach each turn.

If a small pattern, you want a free-running bit to encourage your horse to stretch out.



So that's kind of the concept. Of course, this is not switching to a harsher bit for the sole purpose of covering up training problems and "controlling" the horse with it. Rather, you use different bits to help set your horse up for the best success with the conditions you are running under. Especially in rodeo where ground conditions are never as ideal as nicely groomed NBHA's.

And certainly there is no rule that says you have to switch. But I've read a lot of books by the pro's and they all have a trailer-full of bits they are constantly switching to and from based on the running conditions. And I'm guessing they know a thing or two.

Although I have never heard this I can KINDA see the logic, although I would like to point out that you claim this is said and used by pro's, there is a big difference from most of the ones that switch out bits all the time. I think what I have bolded is really why people constantly change their bits.

In my opinion if you never give anything constant in their mouth (training or showing) then to me you will never find your groove.

How can you expect your horse to work good and consistent if you are inconsistent in your training, and your bit is almost the most important thing in training.

Just my opinion.

The only bits I use in my mares mouth right now is a twisted snaffle and when she is feeling a little more spunky I will use a Jr Cow Horse bit.

I do not really agree with changing bits, although I can kinda see the purpose, due to different ground because even if the ground feels different I want my cues to feel the same, the horse should be able to adapt to the ground, that is why you season your horses before you really start to expect a lot out of them.

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You got that right...I'm going through this with Lark now. She's my speed demon but before I got her the guy who was riding her ran her in a bicycle chain mouth piece (Which I straight refuse to put her in again) and man handled her around the barrels...Now he was a 180-200lb man..I am a 100lb woman..BIG difference. I'm running her in the Jr Cowhorse now and she's responding to it really nice but I just have to "ride" the crap out of that horse. She is NOT a light mouthed horse by any means and she is the strongest horse I've ever ridden. Once you point her in the arena there is NO stopping until you run out...lol To say the least would be saying we're still working out our issues ..and I should be in the gym lifting weights!

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Nikki has a twisted snaffle combination bit..something like this..


Lark and Hickory both run in a Jr Cowhorse bit...Love love love it!



I recommend the Jr Cowhorse bit all the time..It's great.

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Not really sure why this posted?? Whoops..

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Well, I've never heard the ground "reason". Could be a reason I suppose.

Most people that I know/talk to switch to keep their horses mouth fresh and not accustomed to one bit 24/7.
I was struggling to remember where I had read the ground reason and I found it! Also discovered that my memory didn't remember it all correctly. But it is by Dena Kirkpatrick talking about having different bits for running your horse for competition, based on the ground, and based on the rider.



I also agree about changing bits to keep their mouth fresh. I personally do that at home, changing the bits I ride with at home. But I always use my Jr. Cowhorse for competition and keep that consistent. (So earlier I wasn't saying that I myself change bits for competition, but was just trying to explain a reason "why" for those who maybe do.)


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Although I have never heard this I can KINDA see the logic, although I would like to point out that you claim this is said and used by pro's, there is a big difference from most of the ones that switch out bits all the time. I think what I have bolded is really why people constantly change their bits.
Not all pro's change their bits. Wasn't trying to insinuate that.

I think you should do what works for you and your horse. So if it works to change bits, do it. If it works to stay consistent, then don't change bits.

But I do agree. Most bit changing is because the horse is running like a maniac and they're trying to find something to artificially fix it.




As I was trying to find my original source for the changing bits with the ground, I found a this video relevant to the discussion that was interesting.


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I did not think that was what you were insinuating, I meant the people on here that change out their bits are far from pros.
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My guy Red has two bits.

The bit he most often gets run in is a Molly Powell Rookie Bit with a twisted wire mouth. If he's being really good, is really responsive, and we're running in a smaller arena, this is my go-to bit.




If he's not really giving me his attention, or we're running in a larger arena, I put him in a Black Satin Gag Bit. It's quite a bit harsher, but sometimes he needs the help to rate a little bit more than others.




And when we're not running, he has a full cheek snaffle.

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I did not think that was what you were insinuating, I meant the people on here that change out their bits are far from pros.
Ah, gotcha.
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