Originally Posted by JustaSkippenJess
Doing slow work isn't necessarily starting over at all. But run run run all the time is definitely not going to do any good at all. There is nothing wrong with doing slow work and hauling to a race and doing an exhibition and adding speed to see if what you're doing is sinking in. In fact that is the best thing to do. But a horse with the training this particular one has really shouldn't be running a lot. Having a the basic foundation of training and having a horse extremely broke is important, I suppose I don't agree at all with having a "over broke" horse being a bad thing... no offense at all just my opinion. I personally prefer to have my horse completely broke before even attempting a barrel pattern. That way it shuts the door to as much frustration to both myself and the horse I am working the pattern on. Why wait for the frustration level to spike with speed because the horse isn't broke enough to the training desired to make a barrel horse? Trying to fight with a horse that simply doesn't understand how to break his body in half and give in the nose and hind end is a pain in itself, especially when trying to go around a barrel at a full run.
Some horses need to add speed to their runs in order to work the "kinks" out... all horses and riders are different, but when a horse is lacking the foundation and the basics speed only makes the situation more difficult. :)
Just curious....how long does it take you to get a horse breezing a solid pattern? I said that my previous post was built upon my horse HAVING a foundation.
You say break his body in half around a barrel....what if that's not the horses style? What if you're trying to over train a horse that is a stiffer rollback style into a bendy wrap a barrel style? Maybe that's where in your experience a horse gets frustrated bc you're training for a cookie cutter "foundation" tht isn't his style.
I don't want my horses Reiner broke. I don't want my horses to be super flexible bc you can run into one that can literally have its head one way an it's ass another.
To me a foundation is
Moving off my legs
That's it. I don't want my horse over broke at the poll bc when if I'm making a run and their not finishing their turn on my leg alone when I go to that face....I want an immediate response not a """whooooaaaa flex laterally" deal.
These horses compete at SPEED. They have to learn how to handle that. I think it's mostly PEOPLE that need more slow work to get with a horse. You have a bad run? Ok it happens. Don't break all the way back down. Did your horse dive? Slow work that barrel then try it again that day or a different day depending on your horse. Here's where being a horseman comes into play. You have to know if their mind is ok. You can't just put all horses in a pile of "he's not turning right go back to a snaffle and do figure 8s"
The fundamentals I teach are basic and effective. It's EASY for a horse to learn. Too many people throw a million things at a horse and the horse doesn't know what's expected on the pattern. It's simple....it stays fresh and fun.
I've seen so many horses ruined and my own ruined by trainers that nitpick the small things. They get so confused and frustrated they just don't know what to do.
You know what Lance graves teaches his colts? Leads....side pass. In 2 months that saddle broke horse is breezing a nice set.
Now I'm not lance Graves...I want to enjoy loping my horses on a loose rein but I UNDERSTAND that. And he's winning.
If you're always breaking down to slow work what are you accomplishing? Sometimes you have to trust what you've taught your horse...grit your teeth and push through it.
My mare works BEAUTIFULLY at a lope but after being off for so long she's falling apart at a run. So what're we doing? Hauling and running! And guess what? She was a second off a pro horse in TX last week even though she screwed up her 1st barrel. So we slow worked 5 min on that the next day...made a perfect run then trail rode. That simple.
Like I said the OPs horse....lameness check...chiro...leg cue work...trot it...lope it...run it and haul.
Originally Posted by SorrelHorse
I'm with IRed. I'm tired of hearing "that horse needs more pattern work slow" when I take Selena to the gymkhanas to season her. Well, it's her seasoning year. She's squirrelly right now. Her slow work is probably the most beautiful thing you've ever seen. Doing more of that isn't going to fix her.
So I haul ass at home sometimes. Whip and spur and pretend I'm competing. She gets messed up, I break her down, fix it, and then circle around and fly back to that point and try it again.
YES that's what I'm saying lol.
Hope never said run the horse over and over and over...She said, if the problem occurs at speed, fix it at speed. It does have its place.