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post #31 of 36 Old 10-30-2012, 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by 1RedHorse View Post
Just curious....how long does it take you to get a horse breezing a solid pattern? I said that my previous post was built upon my horse HAVING a foundation.

You say break his body in half around a barrel....what if that's not the horses style? What if you're trying to over train a horse that is a stiffer rollback style into a bendy wrap a barrel style? Maybe that's where in your experience a horse gets frustrated bc you're training for a cookie cutter "foundation" tht isn't his style.

I don't want my horses Reiner broke. I don't want my horses to be super flexible bc you can run into one that can literally have its head one way an it's ass another.

To me a foundation is
Counter arcs
Lead changes
Vertical/lateral flexion
Moving off my legs

That's it. I don't want my horse over broke at the poll bc when if I'm making a run and their not finishing their turn on my leg alone when I go to that face....I want an immediate response not a """whooooaaaa flex laterally" deal.

These horses compete at SPEED. They have to learn how to handle that. I think it's mostly PEOPLE that need more slow work to get with a horse. You have a bad run? Ok it happens. Don't break all the way back down. Did your horse dive? Slow work that barrel then try it again that day or a different day depending on your horse. Here's where being a horseman comes into play. You have to know if their mind is ok. You can't just put all horses in a pile of "he's not turning right go back to a snaffle and do figure 8s"

The fundamentals I teach are basic and effective. It's EASY for a horse to learn. Too many people throw a million things at a horse and the horse doesn't know what's expected on the pattern. It's simple....it stays fresh and fun.

I've seen so many horses ruined and my own ruined by trainers that nitpick the small things. They get so confused and frustrated they just don't know what to do.

You know what Lance graves teaches his colts? Leads....side pass. In 2 months that saddle broke horse is breezing a nice set.
Now I'm not lance Graves...I want to enjoy loping my horses on a loose rein but I UNDERSTAND that. And he's winning.

If you're always breaking down to slow work what are you accomplishing? Sometimes you have to trust what you've taught your horse...grit your teeth and push through it.

My mare works BEAUTIFULLY at a lope but after being off for so long she's falling apart at a run. So what're we doing? Hauling and running! And guess what? She was a second off a pro horse in TX last week even though she screwed up her 1st barrel. So we slow worked 5 min on that the next day...made a perfect run then trail rode. That simple.

Like I said the OPs horse....lameness check...chiro...leg cue work...trot it...lope it...run it and haul.
Certainly some different viewpoints that you don't commonly get told (since you usually get told: "go slower, go slower").

Very interesting and educational.
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post #32 of 36 Old 10-30-2012, 03:07 PM
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Maybe a thread of "how you start your barrel horses" should be started..... really it's all the same goal in the end, most people just take different paths. OP try different methods and do what works for your horse.
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post #33 of 36 Old 10-30-2012, 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by BarrelRacer23 View Post
Maybe a thread of "how you start your barrel horses" should be started..... really it's all the same goal in the end, most people just take different paths. OP try different methods and do what works for your horse.
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post #34 of 36 Old 10-30-2012, 04:01 PM
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Consistent results are never achieved when cruelty is involved. We'll hope the rider is tapping the shoulder over not whipping it. Too many riders are in too big a hurry to get results. This is when we see spurring, whipping and yanking. The good ones take the time to train their horses then just help them do their job.
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post #35 of 36 Old 10-30-2012, 04:59 PM
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I whip. It is not cruel. Yanking and jerking and striking the animal is cruel. Do not mistake whipping for cruelty. I have a leather over and under that makes noise. It barely makes contact with the horse, but sometimes a slap on the rear gets them that extra stride into the barrel so they don't crater it and blow out my knees.
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Pssh.I didn't pick up the wrong lead
It's called a counter canter...
...A very advanced maneuver.
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post #36 of 36 Old 10-31-2012, 01:21 AM
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Originally Posted by KGolden View Post
CCHAPC Oct. 6 - YouTube This was from our last show.
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do u rodeo or show just so i no what type of compeditor im looking at...
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