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    10-16-2011, 12:42 AM
  #1
Green Broke
YEA! Go Gidget!

So I did my first gaming event ever today with my special horse,Gidget.
I was trying to back out of doing poles but my friends convienced me. Gidget did great besides us knocked down a pole...we got 35. Something with knocking down the pole. I got 4th in that division. Second event I did was Birangle I got either a 17 or 18 second flat..my husband decided to turn off the video camera right before he said it. I got 3rd place. In speed barrels I got 11.05 and got first!

Guess we aren't too bad after all. She shocked me. She loved it too! You can see how she is hot. I had to have some help and have someone walk me in so I could wave to the judge person. Anyways,my little jumping horse is now a gaming horse I found what we were meant to do...I know, I gotta stop leaving over so much..you will see in the videos I am going to post.
     
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    10-16-2011, 01:24 AM
  #2
Yearling
Sounds like a blast! I love gaming.
     
    10-16-2011, 01:49 AM
  #3
Yearling
-tries to patiently wait for video- =D
     
    10-16-2011, 01:54 AM
  #4
Green Broke
Well I made one of all of them linked together but it's not working soooo here are the ones...tell me how you think she did!...ignore my hunch back



     
    10-16-2011, 03:01 AM
  #5
Banned
Does she always pin her ears and pop her tail like that? She's kind of looking sore and sour already, to me, and you are hanging in her face a lot, causing her to fight and evade. Her weaving through the poles looks nice, but she's really not listening to you, and you seem to actually be in hre way by pulling on her mouth out of sync. She's on the wrong lead going in, obviously, and you aren't setting her up to have a good end turn.

Why do you let her run into the alley, then make her stop and circle? That's just creating a bad habit. She needs to either run straight into her pattern, or walk in calmly, stop, and then go. Quite frankly she's out of control and just plain pissed the whole time, with gaped mouth and hollow posture.

She's actually quite fast and has the potential for good turns, but she definitely needs to go back to slow work and collection before she blows up entirely.
     
    10-16-2011, 11:46 AM
  #6
Trained
You didn't ask for a riding critique, and I'm not competent enough to give one. Good to see you found something Gidget loves. IIRC, you've been searching for something that would get her pumped, and it looks like you've found it.

FWIW, I don't see sour. I do see frustration. When Trooper acts like that with me (and more so with my even less experienced daughter-in-law), it is because we're giving conflicting cues. We've both been working on learning to canter with Trooper, and Trooper LOVES to canter. But if our legs say, "Go faster!" and our hands say, "Go slower!", then Trooper's ears and tail say, "Make up your mind!"

The trainer we use thinks Trooper would enjoy barrel racing, and even says the local for fun stuff would allow an old, "prosperous" - that being polite for "rotund" -and bifocal wearing guy to try. Maybe, but we're a long way from being ready. Still, he seems to enjoy going fast, and enjoy making tight 360s, so maybe someday...



Some buy horses for a purpose, and others buy a horse and try to find the purpose. I'm in category 2.
     
    10-16-2011, 01:21 PM
  #7
Green Broke
That's great that you are excited about Gidget's accomplishments but to be quite honest, I was raising my eyebrows through your videos. You need to SLOW THINGS DOWN and work on quite a few things.

The first thing that raises a red flag, that you also pointed out yourself, is you've progressed a problem to the point that you now need someone to lead you into the area. Anytime a horse does not want to go into the arena by themselves, you need to figure out WHY. Most often, it's because a horse is hurting or sore somewhere (back problems, saddle fit, teeth issues, etc). However, sometimes it could just be a behavior thing. In this case, I think you are pushing her too fast too soon and causing her to resent it and not want to go into that area where she is pushed for speed, ridden by an off-balance rider, and confused as heck.

I don't know why you do what you do when you enter the area. First you make a tight turn, then push her into the corner, and then sometimes go to the other corner, and then haphazardly take off for the run. I think this is heavily contributing to why Gidget doesn't want to go into the arena, because it doesn't make any sense to me, much less to the horse.
--Some associations do not allow running starts through the gate. That's fine. Yours may be one of them.
--Some associations require that you physically stop your horse before you start your run. That's also fine but you have to do it right. When you enter the arena, you should stop right where you entered for about a full second (just enough to show that yes, you did stop). Then you should either 1) begin your run directly from that stop as if you were doing a running start or 2) circle your horse the proper direction to set her up for the run
--The entire point of circling a horse before your run is to get them on the correct lead and make sure they are listening before you go.

This is a video of my horse and I from the one show we made it to this summer. It is by far NOT our best run, but I posted it to show you how we enter the area. He much prefers a running start, but this association does NOT allow running starts and the gate must be physically closed before you start your run or you will be disqualified. But you can see how he walks into the arena calmly, and since we turn the left barrel first, I make a big circle to the LEFT before we start our run. I did this every single time we did a speed event that day (CONSISTENCY) and circled in the direction that we made our first move.



Actually, out of all your videos, your pole run looked the most in control, which is the one you didn't want to do.
--Again, you had a really funky start by pivoting which doesn't do anything for your horse. I would have done one or a few circles in the corner before starting.
--The run down actually isn't too bad, although you were really on her face the whole time. I'm not going to take that into consideration too much, as you did say this was your first gaming show.
--End pole was way wide. Your reins look too long because you were grabbing for air around the backside of that turn.

For your birangle event,
--Again, not sure what you are trying to accomplish by weaving her around before you take off for the run. Either start the run plain and simple, or circle her only in the direction of the lead you want her to pick up.
--So, since you were making a LEFT turn for your first turn, you should have circled her to the LEFT before you started your wrong. You incorrectly took her to the right, and as you noticed, caused her to go into her run on the wrong right lead.
--You are lean, lean, leaning (as you did mention in the OP). It almost caught you too on the second turn as you quite nearly fell out of the saddle to the outside.
--Then your lack of balance causes you to be yanking on her mouth. Actually, Gidget did amazing here because she drifted to the right to catch YOU and your balance. Then while you're bouncing around up there, hanging on her mouth, trying to make her go straight for the finish line. This is my exact point where you need to SLOW THINGS DOWN. For Gidget's benefit and for your benefit. I think some bareback riding and balance would help out a lot.
--Especially in this run, it looks like your stirrups are too short. I'd make them a notch longer.

Then I am assuming the next event would be keyhole....
--Again, your entry makes no sense, as I already explained above. This particular run looks WAY out of control before you even start, as she tries to run back OUT of the arena (again ..... if she doesn't want to enter the arena, and actually tries to escape it, it is your responsibility to figure out why and make it right).
--I am assuming that you broke the pattern here and got a no time, because I've never seen keyhole run like that where you did not run through the poles. As you are coming up to them, you can clearly see that you are not in control of Gidget. Her head is up in the air, mouth is open, your hanging on her, but she's just kind of going where she wants to.
--Especially in this run you can see that she is indeed a hot-type of horse. That makes it all the more important that you SLOW things down and get control.

And for speed barrels, you've now resorted to having someone walk you in. After the disaster keyhole run (disaster as in lack of control), I wouldn't want to go back into that confusing arena if I were Gidget.
--Circle before you take off ..... YES! That is what you should be doing on all of your runs. Do you see how much less nervous and confused she got? However, she came out of it on the wrong lead so that is something you can work on.
--Not too bad of a run overall, but there's not much to it either.


So.

Don't get overly "put down" by all my critiques. Gidget looks like a great horse with a ton of potential. You are just asking for gas too soon. And if you keep doing that, you are going to create bad habits that will be very hard to break. You are already creating one habit (arena sour) that you need to stop and take a good look at now before it progresses.

You need to have control at all times during your run, and be able to collect her at anytime. You need to develop a consistent way to enter the arena every time. You need to work on your balance as a rider. You need to relax your hands and stay off her face (which will be helped by getting control and collection first).

I much prefer to see a rider at a show doing all the events at a slower pace but doing them perfectly correctly and keeping the horse collected, calm, and controlled. Rather than see a horse needing to be lead into the area, tail swishing and twitching, mouth getting yanked on, .... all for the sake of speed and winning.

So slow things down and work on lots of circles, bending, and flexing, and stopping while you are at home. And honestly, the next show you go to I would do the events at a nice controlled trot or gallop. Aim for perfection on the pattern and control/balance 100% of the time.
     
    10-16-2011, 02:16 PM
  #8
Green Broke
I just want to say something...first thank you for all the critiques. I could tell I was hanging on her mouth =/ I felt bad afterwards.
Also when I had the guy walk me in it's because she wanted to go into the arena and she was trying to run into it. I wanted help so that Gidget wouldn't get too excited and go for the speed barrels. I wasn't the only one who did this.
I had some issues with her when entering the gate as she wanted to just go at a running start. I had to get her into a corner,circle her,go over to the judge and wave to her to let her know I was paying attention to her before I went.
Gidget has always pinned her ears. She has been checked for pain all the time.She doesn't have pain. They are not flat back. Some horses do it as they are listening/concentrating.
With the birangle people were cheering for me and Gidget tried running sideways and I had to redirect her to go inbetween the poles to get our time or it would have been a no time.
I wasnt really asking much for speed yesterday. I just wanted to make it through the day. Wasn't expecting to place at anything either. I do know that I need to work on things and yea,my horse was out of control and I ticked off as I was hanging on her mouth and bouncing around O.O I do need to lower my stirrups. I am use to riding english so I just put them up on the shortest notch.

I will make sure I work on things.
     
    10-16-2011, 02:23 PM
  #9
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by bubba13    
Does she always pin her ears and pop her tail like that? She's kind of looking sore and sour already, to me, and you are hanging in her face a lot, causing her to fight and evade. Her weaving through the poles looks nice, but she's really not listening to you, and you seem to actually be in hre way by pulling on her mouth out of sync. She's on the wrong lead going in, obviously, and you aren't setting her up to have a good end turn.

Why do you let her run into the alley, then make her stop and circle? That's just creating a bad habit. She needs to either run straight into her pattern, or walk in calmly, stop, and then go. Quite frankly she's out of control and just plain pissed the whole time, with gaped mouth and hollow posture.

She's actually quite fast and has the potential for good turns, but she definitely needs to go back to slow work and collection before she blows up entirely.

Bubba,this is my FIRST gaming show. My horse was really hot and I have to stop and wave to the judge and then I go..I was having some troubles stopping my horse when entering so I had to get her calmed down as much as possible.
I will be working on improving. It's my first time and she hasn't done it since her last owner which would have been couple yrs or so. I have some friends who take lessons who will be helping me with my hands,turns,etc. She isn't a sour horse but just was really felling her oats yesterday. There was a lot of horses and she gets really excited around them.
     
    10-16-2011, 02:51 PM
  #10
Weanling
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Originally Posted by bubba13    
Does she always pin her ears and pop her tail like that? She's kind of looking sore and sour already, to me, and you are hanging in her face a lot, causing her to fight and evade. Her weaving through the poles looks nice, but she's really not listening to you, and you seem to actually be in hre way by pulling on her mouth out of sync. She's on the wrong lead going in, obviously, and you aren't setting her up to have a good end turn.

Why do you let her run into the alley, then make her stop and circle? That's just creating a bad habit. She needs to either run straight into her pattern, or walk in calmly, stop, and then go. Quite frankly she's out of control and just plain pissed the whole time, with gaped mouth and hollow posture.

She's actually quite fast and has the potential for good turns, but she definitely needs to go back to slow work and collection before she blows up entirely.
THIS. I stated on another thread circling a horse was a bad idea..but of course everyone else knew better.

I agree...something is bothering her. My old gelding would wring his tail when his back needed an adjustment or it was time for injections. Id have a lameness vet examine her.

You're also out of sync with her...is there a good trainer in your area that you could take lessons from?

She doesnt quite seem broke enough to me. She fobbles for leads...and you're really using your hands on her.Id like to see more leg cues.

All in all...get her checked...get lessons...and IMO youll be good to go.

I don't see a hot horse AT ALL. I see a horse that is sore/in pain trying to work for you....but she doesnt like it and acts upon it.
     

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