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post #11 of 18 Old 05-21-2010, 03:35 PM
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What I did to start my colt last summer (First one I trained on my own. Had 60 days of reining from Toni and I finished him in cutting) was I had one of my friends from school run back and forth in a straight line and stop when I said so. And when she stopped, made the colt stop. I would just let him know that he needed to follow her and when he did he would get rewarded by resting. We would stand there for about thirty seconds then I would have her jog down the line again and I would back him up and rollback to follow her. Eventually we got faster and faster and he figure dout what was going on.

Pssh.I didn't pick up the wrong lead
It's called a counter canter...
...A very advanced maneuver.
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Great, thanks guys!
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post #13 of 18 Old 05-21-2010, 04:03 PM
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It also sets the body up correctly for the turn. The weight is on the inside feet to make it easier for them to dig in and turn. The head is already in the new direction of travel.
Wild_spot, I have to disagree with you here, dear. The weight is best distributed and prepared for a turn if it is already on the outside, so the horse doesn't have to shift it out before the turn.

I know this video is super short, but you can see in it that the horse most times has the inside foot already picked up, ready to pull the other way.

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I do opposite of that guy. Normally, when we are taught to ride horses, we are taught to bump with the right leg if we want them to go left.

In cutting, the opposite works better. The turns are tighter, and the body is more prepared to turn if you guide with the inside leg.

I also don't like the way this guy teaches his horses to stop, when he asks that they turn their heads in? I don't like that at all. When they turn their heads in, they will learn to over-anticipate the turns, and you might get ahead of the cow, then behind when the cow figures it out. It will save you a lot of headache and reprimanding if you keep your horse straight as opposed to turning in to the cow during the stop.

EDIT: You really want to focus on "pushing that rib out of the way" when she's turning. You can get a good feel for what I mean if you bend your arms at 90º angles at your sides. If you push your right elbow into your rib, which way are you ducking?

When you're ducking to the right, pretend like your left hand is your horse's outside foot, and the right hand naturally comes up, ready to be put down. Your motion is half-way finished.

I will do my very best to get my husband to cooperate in making a video tomorrow. I'll just have him put together some basics.

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See, to me, I see exactly what I wrote in that vid :]

The horse keeps his head focussed on the cow which means most of his body weight is on the inside hind and inside fore - He then digs these in and switches his body weight over to make the next pass. If you look at the point where he has finished one pass and is about to make another, his weight is almost solely on his pair of legs on the inside.

Again, I don't know much about cutting in itself, but that's what I see in the video, and what I see in campdrafting, which does have a cutting component.

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Well, for what it's worth, I take my husband's word over that guy's any day, because my husband starts all of the horses Dirk Blakesley trains and shows, and Dirk has won well over a million dollars in the industry. I'm sure there's more than one way, that's just what works best for us. But you said it yourself, when the weight is on the inside, the horse has to shift it to the outside before she can turn. The object of my statement was to be ahead of that shift in weight. If you wait for the calf to move, THEN shift weight, you're already 4 steps behind, atleast. You're behind by the shift, the lift of the inside foot, the move to catch up, and the move to hook back onto the cow, hoping by then you don't get farther behind if there's another error. And you want your cutter to pivot on the outside rear, the opposite side of the direction the calf is going, because that outside leg then becomes the first step of the inside leg, and lets your horse have a half-step to open up in the correct lead.

Think of it like you would shuffling side to side. Say you're playing tag around a tree. If your playmate is poking around on the left side of the tree, and you're trying to reach her from where you're standing to block her from coming around that direction, which foot will your weight be on when you're looking at her and blocking her from the left?

Correct, the left foot... Your outside foot. Your weight is distributed to the outside foot to give you the advantage when you lift your right side to move to the right of the tree. Same concept.
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Well, for what it's worth, I take my husband's word over that guy's any day, because my husband starts all of the horses Dirk Blakesley trains and shows, and Dirk has won well over a million dollars in the industry. I'm sure there's more than one way, that's just what works best for us. But you said it yourself, when the weight is on the inside, the horse has to shift it to the outside before she can turn. The object of my statement was to be ahead of that shift in weight. If you wait for the calf to move, THEN shift weight, you're already 4 steps behind, atleast. You're behind by the shift, the lift of the inside foot, the move to catch up, and the move to hook back onto the cow, hoping by then you don't get farther behind if there's another error. And you want your cutter to pivot on the outside rear, the opposite side of the direction the calf is going, because that outside leg then becomes the first step of the inside leg, and lets your horse have a half-step to open up in the correct lead.

Think of it like you would shuffling side to side. Say you're playing tag around a tree. If your playmate is poking around on the left side of the tree, and you're trying to reach her from where you're standing to block her from coming around that direction, which foot will your weight be on when you're looking at her and blocking her from the left?

Correct, the left foot... Your outside foot. Your weight is distributed to the outside foot to give you the advantage when you lift your right side to move to the right of the tree. Same concept.
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I just started sorting. These video clips help a lot with the roll back issue. Thanks so much, you guys, for taking the time to post them...

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