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    01-01-2013, 03:25 PM
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Foal
Belgian bloodlines?

I just bought a registerable Belgian colt (17 months old). The seller said he's "bred to the 9's" but I don't know much about Belgian lines. If I can get him trained up right, I'd like to breed him (assuming his genetics are good, and he has the disposition I'd like to pass on, you know?)

My question is - does anyone know anything about Belgian bloodlines?

My boy is Cross Timbers Tut (Eros Van 't Berrekenshof x Milkwood Farms Gretchen) out of Cross Timbers Kate (CHF Rocky x Milkwood Bloc's Katrina)
     
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    01-01-2013, 05:15 PM
  #2
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He's actually Brabant. Technically he is Belgian but we break the two groups out because they are so different. Belgian and Brabant breeders would never cross the two.

Other than that I'm not much help. The biggest problem with breeding Brabants in the US is there is such a tiny gene pool, most are closely related to one another and the impact he can make on the breed is minimal unless you are willing to import new blood.

Also he is not registered yet. That should of been done yesterday before he changed hands.
     
    01-01-2013, 05:47 PM
  #3
Foal
I'm not sure why his previous owner didn't register him. I plan on it, as soon as I have the right name for him. At this point, I'm not willing to import a horse. If nothing else, I'll geld him, but I would really like to see how he turns out first. He's very calm for a young stallion. No aggression toward the other boy I have on my property, and he is just a big lover. I just don't know much about his bloodlines - like I said, his last owner said he was very well bred.
     
    01-02-2013, 10:28 AM
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Depending upon the registry, the owner of the mare at the time of foaling is the only one who can register the foal. There might be DNA testing required as well where they would physically need the horse to pull hair samples. Keep in mind that you probably have a June 1 deadline to get it done. I would contact the American Brabant Association for some direction.

Did you buy him from the Parrys or from a second owner? This could get messy fast.

I agree you will not know if he's worth being a stallion until he matures out. My point was just that most Brabants in the US are bred very similarly so finding mares that aren't closely related will either be very expensive or nonexistant. If your pastures are designed to where you can put him out with the geldings, I would absolutly do it. I've run Percheron colts with my geldings until they're 2-3 and the stallion goes out with them during the day.
     
    01-03-2013, 10:03 AM
  #5
Foal
He is a Brabant, more commonly known as a "european belgian"... They originated in Belgium. Looking at his pedigree...

Cross Timbers Tut - More than likely out of Michigan, bred by Brian Dickinson who crosses his cross timbers horses with the milkwood horses and also has an imported stallion and I think an imported mare or two.
Eros Van 't Berrekenshof - more than likely an imported stallion because of his European name.
Milkwood Farms Gretchen - bred by Nanne Wright of Legavy Lane Stables in Virginia, more than likely out of her stallion Milkwood Terry's Blue who died a few years ago. More than likely a blue roan.
Cross Timbers Kate - Same as the Tut stallion above.
CHF Rocky - Pretty sure he was also bred by Milkwood Farms, died a few years ago as well.
Milkwood Bloc's Katrina - Same as the Gretchen mare above. Blue roan in color.

I'd say your boy has a good pedigree, from what I know. Just an FYI, there is an American Brabant Assocition, but they are working on getting a registry put together so that they can register Brabants separately from Belgians, as they really are two different breeds, but for now, Brabants are stuck being known in America as Belgians. There is a very limited gene pool of Brabants, and those who have them, rarely breed them for sale, instead they're just replacing their old team. We need more imported for "fresh blood", but the costs of purchase and then import are so high, I looked into it at one point and it was going to be over $12,000 to buy and have a filly imported. Brabants are calm by nature, whether they are stallions, geldings or mares. I say you geld him and enjoy him without the concerns of whether or not there are mares around or not.
     
    01-03-2013, 03:55 PM
  #6
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Originally Posted by burdock87    
I'm not sure why his previous owner didn't register him. I plan on it, as soon as I have the right name for him.
One really cool thing about naming drafts is the breeders give you cues about their horse's pedigree right up front. Breeders register their name(s) with the breed organization and they have exclusive rights to use that name. When the name starts with "Cross Timbers" that can only mean that Road Apple Ranch/Cross Timbers Belgians was the owner that raised the foal. Not necessarily the breeder but that they owned the mare at the time she foaled that specific foal. Having said that, you personally could not register him with the prefix Cross Timbers in his name ever.
     
    01-08-2013, 01:59 PM
  #7
Foal
Wow...thank you for all the information! I've looked up the Brabant Association, and I see the name Eros van't Berrekenshof in a lot of the horses. I took it to be a good thing.

This boy is a lot on the wild side yet - doesn't seem like he was exposed to much, or taken away from his herd ever. He gets very antsy when I take him away from Smokey (my appy stud) and Gracie (an arab mare) and is bound and determined to get back to them. So we're working on breaking that habit. He is also afraid of every single new noise. So it's another small obstacle to get over. When he's in the pasture, he is VERY curious about everything. He wants nothing more than to be scratched on his giant rear end and to give big slobbery kisses.

I think I have truly found an amazing gem for an outrageously low price, and I look forward to getting him fully sacked out and out of his "gotta be with the herd" mentality. I would love to use him for pulling out elk from the hills once he's old enough to do so!

It's amazing - my appy broke into his pasture about a week after bringing him home (I have a couple smaller pastures to keep my stallions seperate...I don't need boy fights!) I was completely panicked when I saw him in my big pasture, thinking that he and Smokey got into it. I watched in terror as Smokey walked up to the big guy, and then almost died when I watched them start to groom each other. I went to feed them and before I could get the hay in different piles for them, the 2 stallions started to eat together, right next to each other, nearly nose-to-nose. I am astonished by this, but they continue to be good friends, grooming each other and refusing to leave each other's side.

I have plans to geld Smokey to avoid any issues later on, but i'm still shocked. Smokey is about 3 now, and the big guy is 17 months. It's insane, but I have been truly blessed with calm stallions. I have 3 of them now (and 2 will be gelded soon). The 2 I can ride are calm, level, and very willing to go wherever I point them.

I hope that after some serious training, this boy will be as calm as the rest of his family lines, and that I can find a non-relative mare to breed him to, to pass on his beautiful genetics.

And without further ado, my new boy has finally been renamed: Troubadour.

     
    01-13-2013, 05:24 PM
  #8
Yearling
Gorgeous! That's all I can say!
     
    01-14-2013, 01:20 PM
  #9
Foal
Thanks! He's going to be fun to train. He's fairly spooky still, but he is the most gentle beasty I have worked with in a long time. All he wants to do is cuddle (doesn't realize he's not a lap dog) and have someone scratch him behind the ears.

He'll be a fantastic mount once he's old enough, though I want to train him to harness first.
     

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