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Breeding my paint/percheron mare

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  • Would you breed paint mare to warmblood
  • What is prime breeding for percherons and friesian mares

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    08-04-2012, 03:58 PM
  #11
Foal
Also here is a 'conformation' picture (aka a picture of penny sleeping :) If you need a better picture please say so, I can possibly post another.
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    08-04-2012, 04:06 PM
  #12
Trained
I haven't watched the video but will go back to it later.

Conformationally, she's not bad. Not stellar, but not bad. If you were to breed her, you would want a stallion with a short back, ideal hind (hers is a little camped out and straight-hocked), more sloped shoulder, and MUCH more refined neck. Hers is quite thick. You'll also want a stallion with low hocks - hers are quite high. But Penny has LOVELY short cannons, plenty of bone, and nice big feet. And I love her front-to-back balance, she looks level or maybe the teeniest bit uphill and shoulder and hindquarter sizes match up quite nicely.

Maybe a TB stallion wouldn't be such a great choice for her, the majority are long in the back and high in the hocks... hrmmmm. I definitely think a warmblood. Trakehner, maybe. Just have to make sure it has a nice sloping shoulder, more angle through the hind legs (and they need to sit better, hock and fetlock on a vertical line from point of buttock), and low low hocks. It helps to know what the stallion's get are like, and if he consistently throws the traits you are looking for, to improve upon your mare. Don't restrict yourself to a particular breed, but DO choose a stallion who is likely to throw the traits you want.

Of course I would first be finding out if you could register Penny and subsequently her hypothetical foal under a sport horse registry somewhere. There's a member on here who has a paint/percheron that I believe is registered Canadian Sporthorse if I recall correctly.

And make sure you have a decent fund in reserve, on top of stud fees, just in case! I have heard figures anywhere from $3000 upwards, not including stud fees, put aside JUST for a contingency measure for IF something were to go wrong with mare and foal.
     
    08-04-2012, 04:26 PM
  #13
Foal
Ahhh, thank you for your help! I definitely don't live in a horsey family, so I don't often get this kind of advice! So, the question remains, to breed or not to breed? I know the answer is a bit opinion based, but I really am open to any advice at this point. I am not in a hurry a breed her.
     
    08-04-2012, 04:44 PM
  #14
Trained
Well - personally, I would look into whether it's possible to register her with some sort of sport horse registry. If not, what breeds will allow you to register a partbred from an unregistered mare? Here, that's Arabians and Welsh, and Clydesdales, and Friesians, possibly others; I'm not sure. I'm in Aus btw :)

I really like your mare, so if registration for the foal is possible, and you have the funds and facilities (and experience, or access to a trainer) to keep a pregnant mare, foal her down, and then raise and correctly handle/train the foal, then I wouldn't have any argument against it. I don't support the breeding of unregisterable stock, but I do think that if you do decide you want to do this, you are going about it 1000000% the RIGHT WAY.

If it was me, I would consider breeding her, but ONLY to the right stallion.

If/when you start choosing stallions - do get our opinions! Choosing studs is loads of fun, and there are some really experienced breeders on this forum who will help choose the best stallion to suit your mare. If/when I eventually breed my own foal, I'll get help choosing the stud too! I haven't ever bred my own but have been learning as much as I can about it so that I am prepared if/when I do.

...and I'm thinking warmblood stallions for my girl too, btw... mine is a TB, so I want a warmblood for different reasons. Mostly for a bit more bulk, and the movement and jumping talent that would be added to the TB speed and stamina if I choose the right stud. My passion is showjumping, but I'm getting a bit more into eventing, and wb/tb is one of my favourite crosses for eventing.
     
    08-04-2012, 04:57 PM
  #15
Foal
I will definitely keep you guys posted! Also, If you happen to come across some stallions that have potential, please share them! The only requirement is that they are able to ship the semen. Thanks!
     
    08-04-2012, 05:06 PM
  #16
Trained
Hmm, there is a stunning blue (cough - BROWN, he is not black under the roan) roan QH in my state, idk if they ship semen but he apparently consistently throws short backs and low hocks. He was imported by the people who stand him (from the US I think), his name is Tru Blu Texan. Maybe there's something available that's related closely to him? I can't remember who he's by and out of. The people who stand him breed for dual-purpose QH, meaning they can go English or they can go Western.

There are some REALLY spectacular warmbloods that ship semen all over the world, if you're willing to go frozen. Frozen has a lower conception rate than fresh or chilled, but opens up literally a world of possibilities.

I also know of a REALLY nice 7/8ths Friesian stallion that has the traits you want in a stud, but being a draft breed himself (YES THEY ARE DRAFTS) he would not refine the foal... BUT he definitely is available through AI, my mother was considering him a while back and would have used him but for the fact that she decided not to breed after all. His name is Friso's Knight Ryder. I don't know if his owners do international frozen or not, but they definitely do chilled and fresh.

I know Australian stallions better than those in any other country, so I can be of some help but not a huge amount.
     
    08-04-2012, 05:07 PM
  #17
Trained
To me there are only two reasons for breeding, to try and improve or breed the best representative of the breed standard, or to breed a horse who is destined to be the best jumper, or a dressage horse, or an eventer, to have some sort role in life. The horses who fall short of those ideals become the happy family horses and trail horses.

So while I don't agree that grade horses are the Spawn of Satan and are automatically condemned to the slaughter house, you do owe it to the foal that you are planning to make sure that he or she has the best chance of a good life, by breeding for a purpose other than having a cute foal about the place.

Then of course you have to factor in the vet fees, the worry the real possibility of losing your foal or your mare, or both of them, breeding is not a game for the faint of heart or those short of cash.
     
    08-04-2012, 05:38 PM
  #18
Started
You know, I really like this mare.

Normally, I don't suggest or condone, crossbreeding, but I think this girl could produce nicely, carefully bred. "Carefully", being the operative word here. Where are you in the world?

Certainly she has a few minor faults, but 100 times better than many crossbreds, which people decide they want to breed.

I don't think she is too overly long really. I do think I see the tiniest hint of a roach. Certainly she needs more angulation in the rear. She has lovely short cannons and beautiful feet, (probably from the draft in her) but she does toe out a bit all round. I'm a draft lover, so do like her head and neck. However, both could be improved a bit, (a little more refined and with some length in the neck) with the right stallion.

In the movie, she looked overweight. She looks much better now. With the draft in her, she probably could make a nice jumper for you. Drafts love to jump! Ask anyone who has tried keeping them confined. My daughter's Worthington at his first show, jumped clean over the stall gate in the barn area, with not a mark on him and he was just over a year old and not big, being a Gypsy Horse.

Bep has given you some ideas as to stallions to consider. So now, if you do decide to breed, you can bone up on your homework, regarding what it takes to breed/foal out etc. and start considering stallions from which to choose. You have almost a year of homework ahead.

First things first. Get her tested for LWO. Then research breeding and foaling. Not all mares foal easily. I've heard of so many this year, not only losing the foal but the mare and foal. You'll need to know what to do if your mare has problems. After that you can consider the stallions.

If you do breed, make sure that if you have a colt, you have somewhere to stable and pasture him, when he leaves his mother. You don't want a colt to stay with his dam too long, so that he breeds her. Some colts can breed and produce, at 6 months of age.

By the way, kudos to you for taking advice here willingly. So many become upset when when asking for help and then really don't wish to hear the faults of their mares. To me anyway, you are just the kind of young lady the horse industry needs, to take it on into the future.

Lizzie
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    08-04-2012, 05:57 PM
  #19
Foal
Thank you Featheredfeet! I know I've been looking at all these stallions for stud and my head started to spin! Haha and don't I know about drafts loving to jump! The reason my trainer and atlanta fell in love with her is because the first day she was working in the round pen with her penny jumped right over the 5 foot panel from a stand still! She is a born jumper! Im located in the south-eastern part of the united states by the way :)
     
    08-04-2012, 06:36 PM
  #20
Yearling
Just a thought, if she bred to an arab, could the foal be eligible for the half arab association?
     

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