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    09-05-2010, 02:09 PM
  #31
Green Broke
Oh I know what she is saying and I still disagree. I think there is nothing wrong with the big tall ones. They are beautiful and nothing at all like caricatures. I think if that wasn't the direction that well respected breeders thought was the way to go, they wouldn't be doing it.

These are people that used to breed for short stocky European brabant types. It's also about demand and people are liking the bigger taller ones. Despite the difficulty with harnessing a taller horse.

I think to say these are going to become weaker versions of the original is completely inaccurate.
     
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    09-05-2010, 02:18 PM
  #32
Showing
Oh, I don't see anything wrong with the taller ones either because they are still heavy and work-worthy, I just don't want to see them focusing the breeding on creating flashy animals at the expense of their sturdiness, which has happened with other breeds.

The harnessing can get a bit tricky LOL. I can barely carry a set of harness for John or Bess, let alone toss it up there. I have met some Amish folks that actually keep their harness on hooks that are on pulleys to the barn rafters. That way, they just lead the horses under the harness and slowly let it down from the rafters.
     
    09-05-2010, 02:27 PM
  #33
Green Broke
I watched them harness the 19 hand belgians at the fair. They stood on the trailer ramp, led the horse up and then voila! Harnessed. The boys just stood there, no problem with it.

From what I saw and who won at the competitions the big boys can do just the same as the smaller ones if not better. I think there will always be some of the smaller ones though, because a lot of people do prefer them.
     
    09-05-2010, 03:50 PM
  #34
Foal
The draft breeds have been compromised by poor breeding standards though...The Shires and the Clydesdales are a prime example from them being so inbred that they have been crossing the two breeds to get away from too much inbreeding...inbreeding causes genetic mutations such as JEB (mostly known in the Belgians and American Saddlebreds), HERDA, HYPP...and so on. The breeds are WEAK and don't last as long as Belgians or Percherons, usually taken off the harness by the time they are 10 because of their Height and joint problems. They have also developed heart conditions they are born with...A freind of mine is a top breeder of Clydes in Canada and is in fear of the developing problem his favorite breed is heading for with so many breeding "Fashion" because of the new trend for riding drafts...This is going to be detremental to the breed.

Some ten years ago The Belgain breed was almost dictated by an Amish family who sold and then bought back one of their colts at action for a hefty sum of money so they could say.."Looky! He was bought for Ex amount ..so he must be perfect!" Thankgoodness the stallion died in a freak pasture accident and wasn't bred but to only a few mares. He would have made a better gelding than a stallion anyway as he was to small boned. He wouldn't have shown well either.. But people look at the fact he must be what the standard should be because of the money that was spent on him..Similar to what FARCEUR set back at the turn of the last century.Politics in horse showing is nothing new and it goes on all the time..Its also set by breeders with big money.

Look what happened to the Morgan horse because someone liked baby doll heads of arabs and thought it looked good on a Morgan..The posty legs of Impressive who was bred to run but couldn't so he set the standard for halter Quarters..bet non of those Halter horses could stand up to regular ranch work because of their poor conformation for work...Or the fact that some still are carriers for HYPP. Their conformation for work is junk. The standard for Fjords were changed also after WWII because of the decline in the population...there are two lines of Fjords...one you don't want..Most of them were shipped to America and the Americans like the small non drafty look of the cross out..Sorry but I wouldn't buy a Fjord without imported parents with strong Grabb, King Harald, or Rudarin lines..I lost my boy a few years ago who had these old lines..

Standards are what sells, not what is good for the breed..Just ask any boxer who nose is bred back so far into his nasal cavity that he can't breath anymore..but Hey its "cute" and fashionable.

The only two draft breeds I would have are Percherons or Belgians because there are many to choose from from different breeding lines..I would not however buy one that does not have the old line of breeding. I want mine to last 30 years not fall apart with hips and joint problems in their late teens.I also like mine muscled up and kept at a pulling weight rather than thin and kept like a riding horse.Its my preference and I'm not telling others what to do. I just don't understand why people want to make a Mac truck into a pick-up truck because they ride better...

Chris
     
    09-05-2010, 03:53 PM
  #35
Green Broke
Because more and more people are riding drafts, that's why.
     
    09-05-2010, 03:59 PM
  #36
Yearling
But if you breed the drafts to be saddle type horses it ruins the effect... Next thing ya know you have a bunch of 18-19hh warmblood type Shires.
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    09-05-2010, 04:14 PM
  #37
Green Broke
We aren't talking about warmbloods. My boy is purebred and he's of the taller less bulky type. My point is, drafts have been bred to be taller for awhile now and not so much the short stocky ones. It's not ruining anything. The pullers do fine and win plenty of competitions. People are riding them more and more.
     
    09-06-2010, 12:24 AM
  #38
Foal
GreyRay its happening now with the Shires....You have them dropping dead in hitches and not lasting very long at all doing what they were originally designed to do. Too many using them for "Gypsy" breeding and for riding horses. I'm not sure if the books are still open for them to be bred to Clydales still to try and get what the 80's and 90's fashion breeders did to the breed itself.

YOu won't see many... if any Clydales or Shire in Pulling competions. And in comparing Percherons to Belgians...many ...if not most of the pullers are Belgians under 18 hands with low set hocks and short pasterns.

Fashion breeding DOES RUIN breds especially when it comes to taking a working horse and breed for it to be riding horse. Whats the point of a quarter horse without a large hind end??? I'll give you another example...APHA breeders that breed for color instead of conformation..there are lots of pretty culls out there..

Chris
     
    09-06-2010, 12:34 AM
  #39
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by Alaskadraft    

YOu won't see many... if any Clydales or Shire in Pulling competions. And in comparing Percherons to Belgians...many ...if not most of the pullers are Belgians under 18 hands with low set hocks and short pasterns.


Chris
Do you mean in Alaska? The horses at the county fair in the competition were Percherons, Belgians and one Shire team. The belgians were 19 hands. I sat watching them have to stand on the ramp of the semi trailer just to put the harnesses on. It was pretty amazing. They just stood there so quiet.

I guess the big reason I disagree is there are so many draft riding horses out there that speak otherwise. They are of fine conformation and breed true to the 'newer model'.

However, I do not agree with breeding drafts to light horses. They can turn out nice ones (my boy sired a beautiful filly) - but the majority are so mismatched - big head small body, big body tiny hooves. But purebred, there are wonderful riding horses being created. Just like the ones in lower level dressage. There's a famous clydesdale or shire - can't remember which breed - that does dressage.
     
    09-06-2010, 12:39 AM
  #40
Green Broke
I found this video but it's not the one I'm thinking of.



How could I forget Shantal's Belgian! I haven't seen her around on the draft forums lately but she jumps her big guy.

http://www.draftresource.com/Shantal-pics.html
     

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