Originally Posted by ~*~anebel~*~
See the fun thing about being an Olympic sport means that the scoring is standardized, regardless of the country. As well there's this website called Eurodressage where scores from most CDIs are posted (anyone who stalks me enough can find some scores of mine on there) and another website called FEITV where you can also watch CDIs in Europe...
Your argument is invalid.
I never said draft horses can't do dressage. Just that there is a very feasible limit to the level they will be able to get to, and that even those that get to GP will not do well by an international standard (as the horse posted by Tnavas is proof of).
For someone looking to achieve good scores at mid to upper levels, they will be better off with a purpose bred horse. The same is true of any sport. I don't know why a reiner on a QH is not snobby but the second someone suggests that there is a more suitable breed for dressage they get lept on and called an elitist bitch.
I smell a double standard.
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While each mark has a definition, getting judges to be consistant applying them is not constant. We saw this one year at HOY when the International judge marked far higher than the National Judges. Dressage despite the advised marks is still very much what the judge interprets.
I write year round from Level 1 through to Grand Prix level and sometimes I wonder if I'm watching the same horse as the judge. Having been trained by classical trainer - one a British Junior Selector and the other who trained at the Spanish Riding School I've been taught classically. I know my stuff.
Your comment about Airthrey Highlander is extremely disrespectful - I wonder if you could have schooled this type of horse to the level he's reached, I doubt it! The horse will never be Olympic material but his work is generally correct. You have been used to seeing horses with excessive extravagence in movement (generally only in front) that to be honest may have a wow factor but is not always correct in its movement. We see horses constantly behind the bit, fighting the bit, swishing their tails being awarded high marks - where is the relaxation and harmony in that?
Yet again I also say to you - get back to the OP's question
Do draft crosses show qualities that MIGHT make them GOOD
(notbrillient) dressage horses?
Of course they can - if they have the right rider on them. Generally they won't as those that want to specialise
will go for a warmblood, yet many of those have crappy action, suspect temperements and poor conformation. The good Warmblood will have more of a chance of being good because more people are likely to buy the horse for dressage. I can tell you that I've seen many do really bad dressage too.
Conformation - Average conformation can do really well - built downhill struggle but are not impossible, horses with upright shoulders will find the lengthening very hard.
My Clydesdale has a lovely shoulder and an extension that would make a warmblood jealous. We are just starting to work under saddle, rather than potter around and she is proving so easy and responsive to train. Her four year old (a first cross warmblood) also has an amazing extension and elevation. If you saw her and didn't know her mother was a Clydesdale you would think she was a Warmblood - which technically she is being by a TB. As a foal I was offered $10,000 for her - which for NZ is a hell of a lot of money for a foal.
Just about any horse in existance can do the basics - Medium Walk, Working Trot, Working Canter, Collected Walk, Trot & Canter, Shoulder In, Leg Yield and Flying Changes. Some struggle with is the Lengthening. It will depend very much on the rider who schools the horse.
Schooled correctly to move off the leg into the outside hand the different movements flow on from each other. When a horse's schooling is done too quickly the errors appear as the horse tries to compensate for shortcut training.
One warmblood I owned was put together beautifully, but was awful to ride, she was thick as two short planks, very hard to school and had a nasty temper - I have a dent inthe side of my cheekbone as a result of her negative behaviour. So they are not always the best. My TB on the other hand would bust his guts to please you and co-operate. I took him up to Opem Medium before navicular got to him.