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post #101 of 148 Old 11-03-2012, 09:53 PM
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Dogs who bark to much are easily trained the 'quiet' command - they often do so for a reason or because they were bred to! Hounds bark and bay and yowl - that's what they were designed to do!!! If you don't want them to do it don't get one!
Not that I have any plans for any further surgical alteration of my dogs (beyond spay/neuter), but PLEASE tell me how to "easily train" my dogs to be quiet. My two GSDs make sure that they alert me and the entire neighborhood to every one of the twenty million squirrels, stray cats, stray dogs, raccoons and possums that wander near or in my fenced suburban backyard any time they are out (and thus lost their doggie door privilages). They've outbarked every training and collar I have tried in the past five years. I've trained them both to do everything from fetch to full on agility courses, but STILL can't get them to shut up.
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It absolutely comes down to training as well as situations.
People who try to make border collie's live in city apartments deserve it when the dog tears the place apart. Dog, cat and horse breeds each are designed for specific purposes and to have particular personalities or attitudes. Buy the one that fits your lifestyle, not the one you think looks prettiest.
Then once you have the animal that fits your style, train them to fit your needs.

Cats are declawed because they claw furniture. Buy them a cat tree, put it in a wonderful window - they'll never want to leave. Build shelves around the room so the cat can circle the room without ever touching the floor or your precious furniture - most cats prefer to live up high. If you can't deal with having a cat in your home - don't get one!

Dogs who's tails and ears are docked/cropped are simply cosmetic - there just is no reason for it. If an injury or issue occurs, please fix it, but don't amputate parts of an animal just because it looks pretty. Unless you really are that vain.

Dogs who bark to much are easily trained the 'quiet' command - they often do so for a reason or because they were bred to! Hounds bark and bay and yowl - that's what they were designed to do!!! If you don't want them to do it don't get one! Get a breed that fits your requirements rather than getting and dog and surgically altering it to fit your ideals.

As for your comment about men I would be horrified if that were true - that comment truly damages my faith in humanity, but I just keep hoping you're one of the few that vain.

That's a fine and good umbrella statement (post) works great in a perfect world and perfect scenario. But rarely is this the case.
I ask you to,,,how to make a flock gardian dog work in this manner? Seriously. I want to know. Universal statements like "train them" doesnt truly address the problem or give a true answer. I can't fix the "wrong I've done with mine" but perhaps in the future when this one dies and I have to replace her. I can go another route.

As for the statement about men.......whaaaaa???? You got to be kidding? I can safely say im not the only vain male on gods green earth.
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Not that I have any plans for any further surgical alteration of my dogs (beyond spay/neuter), but PLEASE tell me how to "easily train" my dogs to be quiet. My two GSDs make sure that they alert me and the entire neighborhood to every one of the twenty million squirrels, stray cats, stray dogs, raccoons and possums that wander near or in my fenced suburban backyard any time they are out (and thus lost their doggie door privilages). They've outbarked every training and collar I have tried in the past five years. I've trained them both to do everything from fetch to full on agility courses, but STILL can't get them to shut up.
Wow xD sounds like an extreme - but that sounds like a breed situation to me more than a training situation. But what I would do is teach the dogs individually at first the 'leave it' command.
Hold a piece of treat in your hand with them sitting in front of you - assuming they're behaved and wouldn't bite you, allow them to sniff and nose and do whatever they feel (safely) they need to - to get the treat, wait until they turn their head away, for ANY reason, then say 'leave it" while you give the treat. Rinse and repeat this process for about 5-10 minutes a couple times a day, I guarantee they'll figure out fast that they need to be seated with their head away to get the treat. Then start associating the cue with other object, like toys or people that excite them.

I'd also consider teaching them 'places' where they each have a doggy bed and that's their 'place' So when they get worked up you just tell them to go to their place and they'll both run over to get their treat.
Watch "It's me or the dog" she'll show some amazing ways to really help dogs learn, especially extremes like your seem to be.

Good luck :)
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what if the dog is nocturnal. And you're not.
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thats a fine and good umbrella statement (post) works great in a perfect world and perfect scenario. But rarely is this the case.
I ask you to,,,how to make a flock gardian dog work in this manner? Seriously. I want to know. Universal statements like "train them" doesnt truly address the problem or give a true answer. I can't fix the "wrong I've done with mine" but perhaps in the future when this one dies and I have to replace her. I can go another route.

As for the statement about men.......whaaaaa???? You got to be kidding? I can safely say im not the only vain male on gods green earth.

What is the dog doing wrong? If he's doing his job what's the problem? I honestly believe animals should do the jobs they were built to do, it's when we take them out of that element that the problems start.
What's the problem maybe it can be worked out? Dogs like that seem to be more active, more vocal and more protective by nature- that's the way we made them, so you need to accept that's their nature and work within their abilities.
I'm not saying that animals can't do well outside of their chosen jobs, but those are exceptions usually caused by quality training.

As for the comment on men, I'm glad to say the guy I'm engaged to isn't as vain, neither are any of my male friends. But that's probably why they're my friends - they aren't vain. You're right there are far too many vain men - but having lots of something doesn't make it a good thing. Just because it's commonly accepted for men to be vain doesn't mean it's a good trait to look for. And honestly, most men who are like that wouldn't admit it in the presence of women, only with other guys.
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check out post 104#


Some men may not say it.....but they be thinkin it. Lol. Don't foool yourself.
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Rabbit, dogs aren't nocturnal.

To teach a dog to be quiet, you can teach them "thank you." They run up to the window and bark, then you say "thank you," and they come to you for a treat or reward. They did their job [alerted you to the situation], you acknowledged a "job well done," and now your dog isn't barking its head off. One or two barks and that's it.
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Thank's Riccilove - yes, dogs aren't nocturnal - if you somehow find yourself with a dog who's active at night you best switch his sleep schedule. Keep him up and active during the day so he'll sleep during the night.

ETA: yes, I love the 'thank you' idea!
As for the comment on men, I'm sure there are many men who do think like that - where else would the stereotype come from? Either way most have the decency not to brag about it in a group of women. :)

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Alas, both my dogs have a solid leave it command as well as their beds. In fact, if I am standing near them, they seldom bark without checking to see if I see what they are thinking of barking at first. If I already know about it, they know they don't need to alert me to it- because I've already got it covered.

The problem is if I am inside and they are not, they will happily 'defend' our home and alert me so that I can come out and help. They are very considerate and concerned for our group safety, you see. If I come to the door, unless they've actually caught something, they come running to me, and then back to whatever it was they were alerting on to show me unless I tell them to go inside or do something else.

Or I could say the problem really is when I want to put them out to do their business while I take a shower, it can be... inconvenient to go get them. ;) Their barking has turned them both into 99% house dogs for fear of noise complaints.

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sorry people. This is a real live working dog. She's not some froo froo house pet. She is nocturnal. They are bred that way for a reason. You don't want to switch their sleep schedule. After all most predators are nocturnal and they try to kill your stuff at night. Hence a dog that's most active at night.

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