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  • Photos of docked percheron tails
  • Can you dock a horses tail when he is older?

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    11-07-2012, 09:54 AM
  #131
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Agree

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Originally Posted by Bluebird    
Thank heaven that docking horses is illegal in the UK. It is seen an animal cruelty and anyone caught doing it unless for a medical reason, ends up in jail. There is no reason on earth for horses to be docked except to pander to man's vanity. Hopefully the rest of the world will come to its senses soon and horse docking will be relegated to the past.
While my guys tail was docked when I got him, I would never dock a draft or any other horses tail. I actually make a tail (out of hay string) for my guy in the summer so that he can swat flies.
I think that it is an old practice, that should go away! I so wish that my Percheron had his tail so that he could swat flies on his own, and because it would be beautiful, not this short clump of hair.
My 2 cents, and I know that it's not worth that! :)
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    11-07-2012, 10:52 AM
  #132
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Originally Posted by PercheronMom    
While my guys tail was docked when I got him, I would never dock a draft or any other horses tail. I actually make a tail (out of hay string) for my guy in the summer so that he can swat flies.
I think that it is an old practice, that should go away! I so wish that my Percheron had his tail so that he could swat flies on his own, and because it would be beautiful, not this short clump of hair.
My 2 cents, and I know that it's not worth that! :)
Actually your 2 cents is worth a lot, if all like minded people were to put there 2 cents to organisations like the SPCA, get some media attention & then maybe they would have a loud enough voice to get docking banned.
Anna Sewell wrote Black Beauty to highlight the suffering caused to horses from ignorance and fashion. Sadly she died a year after it was published and never saw what an impact it had on a society who were often unaware of how wrong these things were. The book is very different from the syrupy films and TV series that evolved from it even though it is written from the horses mouth so to speak.
Anyone who hasnt read the actual book (not some kiddies version) should.
This is a lovely short clip from a UK horse ploughing (plowing) match and shows horses with tails tied up and some with full loose tails.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vb5ZH8xt6rM
     
    11-07-2012, 11:01 AM
  #133
Foal
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Originally Posted by jaydee    
Actually your 2 cents is worth a lot, if all like minded people were to put there 2 cents to organisations like the SPCA, get some media attention & then maybe they would have a loud enough voice to get docking banned.
Anna Sewell wrote Black Beauty to highlight the suffering caused to horses from ignorance and fashion. Sadly she died a year after it was published and never saw what an impact it had on a society who were often unaware of how wrong these things were. The book is very different from the syrupy films and TV series that evolved from it even though it is written from the horses mouth so to speak.
Anyone who hasnt read the actual book (not some kiddies version) should.
This is a lovely short clip from a UK horse ploughing (plowing) match and shows horses with tails tied up and some with full loose tails.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vb5ZH8xt6rM
You are right, a collective voice is louder. Oh and Black Beauty is a one of my favorite books, I read it at least once a year.
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    11-07-2012, 12:13 PM
  #134
Foal
I do also hope that tail docking in horses gets banned in other places.

Although I can see that busy farmers and workers may need the tail docked so they can earn more money (less time faffing, and more time working), I think that anybody who docks just for shows shouldn't have a horse.

It doesn't take too long for tails to be cut short (the hairs only), and that gives them less chance of getting caught up in the machinery, and whatnot, and more ability to swat the flies. Perhaps if there was more advice and help out there, available to workers/farmers, many people would change their mind on docking for logging, and trim the hairs instead - think of the horse's wellbeing as well.

People who show, I think, should braid their horses tails, or do something else to make them shorter. Surely the preparing of the horse is the best bit about showing? I'd love to have a draft and play with their tail to make it appear shorter and "professional" - docking must take all the fun away! Besides, when showing season is over, those horses will need an on-hand defence system to get rid of pesky insects.

I'm proud that I'm British and that we've banned all sorts of animal mutilation for cosmetic purposes. I do hope that someday other places follow suit, like many already have.

That's just my opinion, and I've read every post up to this point. I'm aware some may disagree, and I respect your opinions, but I will never dock a horse's tail.
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    11-07-2012, 12:36 PM
  #135
Weanling
Still think there is no need to dock an animals tail even if you are a busy farmer. In Scotland, they shave the working Clydesadles tail and no harm is done.
     
    11-07-2012, 12:38 PM
  #136
Showing
Honestly, I just don't get the point of it from a working standpoint. My family has farmed with horses and mules for generations. We farmed with teams up until the mid 90's and we never docked a single tail. Never had a problem with tails getting tangled in lines or equipment. Even the Amish that I know up in Kansas don't dock tails. They will often have horses that are docked because they just happened to be docked when they bought them, but I've never known an Amish to actually dock a tail.

I am a proud owner of a Belgian mare and a Percheron gelding, neither of whom are docked. They are a driven team and their tails cause no problems.


Oh, and just to show that even back in the old days it was more tradition than functionality, here are some old pictures of actual working horses that had full tails and no problems.


This one you kind of have to look close
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    11-07-2012, 12:48 PM
  #137
Foal
Touché - I didn't really put as much thought into my post as I should have done. Seeing the photos of the "old day" horses with full tails is quite refreshing.

So if it was like that back then, what, do you think - unless you know, encouraged people (farmers and the usual folk) to dock tails?
     
    11-07-2012, 12:56 PM
  #138
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Originally Posted by SeamusCrimin    
Touché - I didn't really put as much thought into my post as I should have done. Seeing the photos of the "old day" horses with full tails is quite refreshing.

So if it was like that back then, what, do you think - unless you know, encouraged people (farmers and the usual folk) to dock tails?
I would guess it was a quick way of ensuring a short tail with no maintenance (and there are many farm workers who may at that time have thought that a good thing) and then it became a "done thing". Brutal and unecessary.
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    11-07-2012, 01:02 PM
  #139
Showing
IMHO? Vanity, pure and simple.

I'm sure if you look hard enough, you can probably find plenty of horror stories about a horse that clamped a line under their tail and ran off or got their tail tangled in equipment and had it sleeved. However, I believe in situations like that, if you look closer, it was likely in large part due to negligence on the human handler's part, not simply because the horse had a tail.

Because of my experience with farming animals and long tails, it is difficult for me to fathom a horse getting a tail tangled in anything if the human did what they were supposed to do and handled them how they were supposed to be handled.

Sure, there may have, at some point, been a few accidents here and there where a tail caused problems, but IMHO those few situations are not a legitimate reason to start chopping tails off.
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    11-07-2012, 01:34 PM
  #140
Weanling
Here is The Clydedale Horse Show in Aberdeen, Scotland. To all those vanity tail dockers out there...look closely...not one docked tail and all horses being judged and shown intacto! I rest my case.
     

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