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post #21 of 148 Old 11-02-2012, 06:53 PM
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post #22 of 148 Old 11-02-2012, 07:02 PM
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im vain. I like to see a draft horse docked.

I debarked my GP. I used to dock my pitbull dogs ears. I think many breeds look silly with natural ears and natural tails. There are health benefits to docking and debarking.

Many of the laws in merry old england are ridiculous. All the opinion of a lil southern country boy of course
Maybe some of them are, but not where mutilation of animals are concerned, I can't think of any health benefits of debarking or docking, but that is a whole 'nother debate, and we all have our views on it.

My views are contradictory I know, I admit that but..

Horse tail docking no, not needed.
Dog Tail docking not needed, but then there are breeds, like dobies, who look better docked.
Ear trimming, well although I love the look of a cropped Dobie I would never have one done, not know I know what is involved.

De clawing a cat or debarking a dog, well just what benefit does an animal gain from that I wonder?
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I type this with a well-meaning heart, and highly eduacated in the realm of wildlife - docking of tails, soring of hooves, and so many other things I never knew existed in the world of domesticated animals, seems to be a direct slap in the face to the perfect creation and bioligical purpose of the horse's anatomy. There is a specific reason for every single square inch of the horse's body as it is for the horse's survival and comfort.
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Sorry if this is a stupid question... but when you say "debarking a dog", you don't actually mean that you're removing a dog's bark? :O
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post #25 of 148 Old 11-02-2012, 07:24 PM
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debarking, or more accurately, bark softening, is where the dog's vocal cords are cut in order to reduce the volume of his barks or howls. I will say that the dogs I have met who have had it done seem no worse for it and none seem to be bothered by the abnormal scratchy pathetic sounds that are substituted for the normal barks, but I cannot think of any health benefits to the dog whatsoever. Well, perhaps in the case of debarking as an alternative to death or rehoming when the owner is getting noise complaints...

I see docking, and cropping as completely unnecessary and of no benefit to the animal, be it a dog or a horse.
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post #26 of 148 Old 11-02-2012, 07:38 PM
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Actually the bark of a dog has it's reasons, it allows them to communicate from a distance, say for instance you took your dog for a walk in the woods he/she got lost and couldn't see you how would you find them as they couldn't bark to tell the rest of their 'pack' where they were. Plus if the dog was trained right there would be enough barking to warrent a noise complaint. Taking the ears of a dog will reduce their ability to hear as they will not be able to funnel/catch the normal amount of sound waves plus with out any ears or a tail how are they going to be able to communicate. As stated above horses need their tails to protect them from flies they also use their tails to communicate with other animals.

I have to say I am glad all of the above is banned in Scotland other then for medical reasons, they are barbaric practices and have no reason to be around in this day and age they are just for the humans bennifits.

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post #27 of 148 Old 11-02-2012, 07:46 PM
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It is for show, it makes them look nicer, there is nothing you can do about it. So please, if don't have anything pleasing to type on this thread I think you should leave this website.
Nope sorry. We are all perfectly entitled to express our opinions. If you would rather not hear that you do something cosmetic that affects the horses daily life, then maybe it is you who should not read the conversation.


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im vain. I like to see a draft horse docked.

I debarked my GP. I used to dock my pitbull dogs ears. I think many breeds look silly with natural ears and natural tails. There are health benefits to docking and debarking.

Many of the laws in merry old england are ridiculous. All the opinion of a lil southern country boy of course
I find the idea that someone would debark a dog or dock a horse ridiculous too.
In fact I'd suggest that they try having house plants instead of pets.
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post #28 of 148 Old 11-02-2012, 07:51 PM
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im vain. I like to see a draft horse docked.

I debarked my GP. I used to dock my pitbull dogs ears. I think many breeds look silly with natural ears and natural tails. There are health benefits to docking and debarking.

Many of the laws in merry old england are ridiculous. All the opinion of a lil southern country boy of course
Ha ha. Don't come and try it in merry old england. You'll be arrested and thrown in jail. LOL
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post #29 of 148 Old 11-02-2012, 07:58 PM
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Sorry if this is a stupid question... but when you say "debarking a dog", you don't actually mean that you're removing a dog's bark? :O
They remove dogs' vocal chords, dock tails, they crop their dogs ears ( Dobermans, Danes etc) and they de-claw cats. All of which is illegal in the whole of the United Kingdom and Ireland. We consider it barbaric. I am not saying that everyone in the USA does this to their animals or even agrees with it but I sure hope there is some enlightenment soon for those people who do it just because 'they like their animals with bits missing'.
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They remove dogs' vocal chords, dock tails, they crop their dogs ears ( Dobermans, Danes etc) and they de-claw cats. All of which is illegal in the whole of the United Kingdom and Ireland. We consider it barbaric. I am not saying that everyone in the USA does this to their animals or even agrees with it but I sure hope there is some enlightenment soon for those people who do it just because 'they like their animals with bits missing'.
As much as I am not for debarking, declawing, cropping or docking, I DO happen to prefer my animals with 'bits missing.' Just the reproductive organs though. And mainly, the reasons to remove those bits are human as well- it makes the animals more suited to living and working for us rather than their own ends, so the argument can go both ways. It's just that those surgical conveniences (spay, castrate) aren't for cosmetic reasons, but reasons of convenience and ease as intact animals require much closer and skilled management to prevent unwanted behaviors or pregnancy.
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