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    11-02-2012, 08:06 PM
  #31
Foal
Thank you, and I feared that the word meant that. I can't even fathom doing something like that. I'm glad it's illegal in the UK, and unless it proved to be useful to the animal, I'd never do something for cosmetic purposes alone.

I guess I can see why docking tails of animals would be of use - like farming, and working dogs, etc - but I still feel there's always other methods to combat the issues.
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    11-02-2012, 08:14 PM
  #32
Weanling
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Originally Posted by Sharpie    
As much as I am not for debarking, declawing, cropping or docking, I DO happen to prefer my animals with 'bits missing.' Just the reproductive organs though. And mainly, the reasons to remove those bits are human as well- it makes the animals more suited to living and working for us rather than their own ends, so the argument can go both ways. It's just that those surgical conveniences (spay, castrate) aren't for cosmetic reasons, but reasons of convenience and ease as intact animals require much closer and skilled management to prevent unwanted behaviors or pregnancy.
You made a really good point. My two Clydesdales have 'bits missing' come to think of it. They are geldings. My dogs (Irish Wolfhounds) are neutered, as are my cats and so is my old man! I don't think neutering comes under the same category as the other though as it is not really mutilation. Very good point you made though.
     
    11-02-2012, 08:32 PM
  #33
Showing
I have a Dane whose ears were cropped before I bought her. If you're not familiar with the ritual of taping the cropped ears of a rambunctious and uncooperative VERY large puppy, let me tell you it's not something I'll willingly put another dog through. The next Dane I get will have natural ears.

If people are so ignorant that they think cutting off a useful part of an animal's anatomy is 'stylish', maybe they should have their own ears cropped, or perhaps cut off a portion of their tongues.

Docking a horse's tail is just plain cruel, especially now that horses are little more than luxury items. Even if there used to be a logical reason for it, it no longer exists. The Amish use drafts as tractors and plows, and I have yet to see an Amish draft horse with a docked tail.
     
    11-02-2012, 09:04 PM
  #34
Yearling
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Originally Posted by Speed Racer    
Docking a horse's tail is just plain cruel, especially now that horses are little more than luxury items. Even if there used to be a logical reason for it, it no longer exists. The Amish use drafts as tractors and plows, and I have yet to see an Amish draft horse with a docked tail.

Really? The Amish around here have horses with docked tails. I personally hate the look of a docked horse and with the need to swish flies, I think they should be left natural. I do however currently own 2 dogs with docked tails (they came that way) and I have owned many docked dogs over the past 35 years. They all but one came that way too. I did have one Rottie with a natural tail that against my will, was docked as an adult. I understand in his case why it was needed as he didn't seem to have feeling in his tail. He lit it on fire in a campfire once. He had happy tail and was forever hitting it on things and spraying blood all over the place. I didn't want him docked because I thought it would cause him so much pain, as an adult. Oddly enough, he came home right after the surgery and bounded about the house like normal, didn't seem to have any issue at all and never again had bloody sores on it.

All that said, even though I do not like the idea of docking some animals or cropping or whatever, I think the government needs to keep their noses out of it. I do not want to lose any more rights. Soon it will be the right to even own my favorite breed.
     
    11-02-2012, 09:04 PM
  #35
Banned
All my pets are neutered, my dogs have their ears, tails and voiceboxes - and my indoor cats have claws, all of them.

My neighbor when I lived in MI had a dog without a bark, poor thing let out air instead of a noise.

Some people should just not have animals.
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    11-02-2012, 09:55 PM
  #36
Weanling
So its ok to take away the reproductive organs for your benefit but nothing else on an animal???. Because YOU deem it ok. And its for your convience?? Yet im a monster b/c I like the looks of a docked tail? Docked ears? A quiet dog? Hypocrites.

There are many health reasons for docking tails and ears on many different working types of dogs. Do some homework. Its working types and sporting types.

Same way with horses. And yes tthe amish and menonites have docked work horses. Perhaps there are exceptions as there is in all aspects.

As for debarking. Its becoming a common practice because so many are now living in cities and suburbs and neighborhoods. It causes no harm at all to the animal. They still bark to their hearts content, they are happy. The owners and neighbors are happy. Its a win win. Don't condemn something till you know all the facts. And not just looking at things through emotional and narrow minded viewpoints.

As for being in merry ol england. Well I aint there. Got no desire to ever even visit. And this country broke away to have its freedoms it has now. Hopefully we are able to keep enjoying these freedoms till GOD sees fit to end it all.
     
    11-03-2012, 01:35 AM
  #37
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so its ok to take away the reproductive organs for your benefit but nothing else on an animal???. Because YOU deem it ok. And its for your convience?? Yet im a monster b/c I like the looks of a docked tail? Docked ears? A quiet dog? Hypocrites.

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I get all my animals spayed/neutered. However, I do not do it for my convenience. I do in an effort to make sure my animals are not producing even more unwanted animals than there already are. As a person that has several pets that other people threw away, I find it necessary.

Docking tails, ears, debarking and declawing are all causing the animal unnecessary pain and suffering for the sheer purpose of improving their appearance to you.

Personally, I feel that folks should focus less on how pets look and more on what they add to our lives and what we can add to theirs.
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    11-03-2012, 03:24 AM
  #38
Weanling
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so its ok to take away the reproductive organs for your benefit but nothing else on an animal???. Because YOU deem it ok. And its for your convience?? Yet im a monster b/c I like the looks of a docked tail? Docked ears? A quiet dog? Hypocrites.

There are many health reasons for docking tails and ears on many different working types of dogs. Do some homework. Its working types and sporting types.

Same way with horses. And yes tthe amish and menonites have docked work horses. Perhaps there are exceptions as there is in all aspects.

As for debarking. Its becoming a common practice because so many are now living in cities and suburbs and neighborhoods. It causes no harm at all to the animal. They still bark to their hearts content, they are happy. The owners and neighbors are happy. Its a win win. Don't condemn something till you know all the facts. And not just looking at things through emotional and narrow minded viewpoints.

As for being in merry ol england. Well I aint there. Got no desire to ever even visit. And this country broke away to have its freedoms it has now. Hopefully we are able to keep enjoying these freedoms till GOD sees fit to end it all.
And God made animals with tails and ears and voices and claws. When was it that man decided it was God who made the mistake and decided to chop everything off. Man is an arrogant, vain creature.
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    11-03-2012, 04:55 AM
  #39
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Originally Posted by Dead Rabbit    
so its ok to take away the reproductive organs for your benefit but nothing else on an animal???. Because YOU deem it ok. And its for your convience?? Yet im a monster b/c I like the looks of a docked tail? Docked ears? A quiet dog? Hypocrites.

There are many health reasons for docking tails and ears on many different working types of dogs. Do some homework. Its working types and sporting types.

Same way with horses. And yes tthe amish and menonites have docked work horses. Perhaps there are exceptions as there is in all aspects.

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Docking of dogs is cruel and unnecessary, cutting the ears is just disgusting and has no use AT ALL! I have done my homework and even working dogs are fine with tails as, health reasons are extremely rare.

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yet im a monster b/c I like the looks of a docked tail? Docked ears? A quiet dog? Hypocrites.
Yes, because you are depriving a dog of a vital limb (tail) for the shallow reason of liking the way it looks! How sad is that.
     
    11-03-2012, 05:12 AM
  #40
Weanling
Wrong.

there are very good reasons for docking tails and even ears. Most do it for vainity. Which is myself. Yet I admit to it. But other than that there are reasons. Keep searching. You did not dig hard enough. Its there. Heres a hint. Has to do with hunting. Course ya'll have lost that right to.

Still............God gave that animal reproductive organs to produce. Gave them heat cycles to reproduce quite often actually. And spaying and neutering takes this away. Im the cruel one for clipping an ear, or cutting a tail for vanity sake, for health reasons, or for show standard.....yet you take away reproduction, and this ruins an animal forever. Some may claiim your playing God. Shame, shame.
     

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