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  • Clydesdale cow hocked breed standard

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    12-22-2012, 12:18 AM
  #101
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Originally Posted by Oldhorselady    
All you can do with the auctions is maybe take someone knowledgable with you and see. Go the few days they have before the auction and look at them handling/riding their animals too. Ask around if the people are reputable since some come year after year to sell their stock.

Here are some horses that would probably want to retire as your trail horse! That would be a vacation to them. Actually, I think these working horses have it in their blood...this must be why Big Mamma like to trample through anything...she must have been a logger...hahaha.
True, I'd need to find a drafty friend to go with first. The only people I know who have horses all have Quarters or Paints, so I doubt they would be as much help. I mean I'm sure they could, but I'd rather have a drafty friend along with me.
     
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    12-22-2012, 12:30 AM
  #102
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While a drafty person would be great, a light horse person would be ok too. They could help check for the basics....conformation, injuries, personality etc. At the annual auction here, the owner's will ride around their stock and you can watch and ask them questions. Plus they hold clinics to watch. Lots of info and cool tack and stuff to bid on. The actual horse auction is on the last day after four days of other stuff. So, watch the schedule.
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    12-22-2012, 01:51 AM
  #103
Green Broke
Just make sure a light horse person understands draft horse confo!! I had friends complain about how cow hocked clydes are when we check them out at the county fair!!

Email some of the local draft farms. I bet they'd be willing to answer your questions and maybe let you check out some of their horses!
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    12-22-2012, 02:49 AM
  #104
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Originally Posted by Solon    
Just make sure a light horse person understands draft horse confo!! I had friends complain about how cow hocked clydes are when we check them out at the county fair!!

Email some of the local draft farms. I bet they'd be willing to answer your questions and maybe let you check out some of their horses!
BTW Cow Hocks in Clydes are a breed standard not a fault. Thanks for making this conformation a point. Remember, when you buy a Heavy, you must never ever compare it to a light horse and don't take a light horse expert with you either (unless they love heavies!) LOL
     
    12-22-2012, 02:54 AM
  #105
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Originally Posted by Bluebird    
BTW Cow Hocks in Clydes are a breed standard not a fault. Thanks for making this conformation a point. Remember, when you buy a Heavy, you must never ever compare it to a light horse and don't take a light horse expert with you either (unless they love heavies!) LOL
I will keep that in mind too!
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    12-22-2012, 02:56 AM
  #106
Weanling
The photo was taken on the top of Bodmin Moor in Cornwall. MY deepest apologies... Here is another one of Kinclune Danny Boy (my boys best buddy who he lived with all his life until I got him) taken just after he won the Clydesdale Dressage in Edinburgh complete with Cow Hocks
     
    12-22-2012, 12:55 PM
  #107
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Originally Posted by Bluebird    
BTW Cow Hocks in Clydes are a breed standard not a fault. Thanks for making this conformation a point. Remember, when you buy a Heavy, you must never ever compare it to a light horse and don't take a light horse expert with you either (unless they love heavies!) LOL
Cow Hocks is not a desired breed standard in any breed especially in drafts. Cow hocks place uneven strain on the hocks and often lead to curb, capped hocks and spavin which are rather common lameness issues with drafts.It also greatly reduces the draught the animal can produce. I would like to see pictures of these cow hocked horses both side view and from behind. Drafts are most often mislabeled as being cow hocked when in fact they are not and the individuals are actually referring to the set of the hocks which is very different from a light horse. Some very prominent US Clyde breeders have also added sickle hocked and camped out horses which they win with but they are still undesirable faults. Cow hocks are one of the worst hind leg faults not matter if it's a mini, light horse, mule or draft.
     
    12-22-2012, 02:27 PM
  #108
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Originally Posted by Left Hand Percherons    
Cow Hocks is not a desired breed standard in any breed especially in drafts. Cow hocks place uneven strain on the hocks and often lead to curb, capped hocks and spavin which are rather common lameness issues with drafts.It also greatly reduces the draught the animal can produce. I would like to see pictures of these cow hocked horses both side view and from behind. Drafts are most often mislabeled as being cow hocked when in fact they are not and the individuals are actually referring to the set of the hocks which is very different from a light horse. Some very prominent US Clyde breeders have also added sickle hocked and camped out horses which they win with but they are still undesirable faults. Cow hocks are one of the worst hind leg faults not matter if it's a mini, light horse, mule or draft.
Sorry, doesn't matter if you agree with is or not but in the UK the BREED STANDARD is for cow hocks but only on Clydesdales. Clydedales will continue to be bred with cow hocks until the breed standard is changed and I can't see that happening any time soon.
     
    12-22-2012, 11:21 PM
  #109
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Show where on the Clydesdale Horse Society site they list their breed standards and where it states cow hocks are a desirable trait. On a few of the UK breeders they list, they do have a breed standard list that states "the point of the hock should point inward" as well as "cannon bone to hang straight from the hock to the fetlock". That's not a cow hocked horse. For the toes to stick out at a 45* angle the hocks must point inwards. Add to that, the cannon bones are parallel to each other and the fetlocks are the same distance from each other as the hocks and that's a pretty nice set of draft hind legs. There is not a single cow hocked horse pictured on the CHS site where the hind limbs were clearly visible.
     
    12-23-2012, 05:38 AM
  #110
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Originally Posted by Left Hand Percherons    
Show where on the Clydesdale Horse Society site they list their breed standards and where it states cow hocks are a desirable trait. On a few of the UK breeders they list, they do have a breed standard list that states "the point of the hock should point inward" as well as "cannon bone to hang straight from the hock to the fetlock". That's not a cow hocked horse. For the toes to stick out at a 45* angle the hocks must point inwards. Add to that, the cannon bones are parallel to each other and the fetlocks are the same distance from each other as the hocks and that's a pretty nice set of draft hind legs. There is not a single cow hocked horse pictured on the CHS site where the hind limbs were clearly visible.
Lets not go down this route. I am not getting into an argument about breed standards. The OP was about should the poster get a draft horse or not. Personally I think no matter what various societies or individuals say about what the breed standard of perfection should be, as long as they are healthy, who actually cares? I love Heavy Horses and both my Clydesdales have 'cow hocks' to some degree and you know what...I couldn't care less if they have or haven't met the breed standard. Both my boys are healthy, happy and very loving. I have no problems and they are both fantastic horses. Incidently, my older boy, I bought from the Secretary of The Clydesdale Horse Society and it was she who pointed out to be the 'cow hocks' and explained why they were desirable in Clydes and not considered a fault.
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