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    03-31-2010, 09:12 PM
Another forgotten breed:
Sugarbush Draft Horse

It's one of the few American breeds, has been around for a while now, and almost no one knows about them! This guy's picture has been popular:

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    03-31-2010, 10:09 PM
Originally Posted by masatisan    
I do not consider Gypsy Vanner horses a draft breed. Ever. They are cobs, and to me, cobs fall under their own distinct grouping. Just because they are hairy and built heavily, does not make them drafts.

One of my favorite rare draft breeds is the Schwarzwälder Kaltblut, a light draft from southern Germany, their name means "Black Forest horse" in english.
I just learned about the black forest horse this month (at the northwest horse fair/expo) they are Gorgeous!!
    04-27-2010, 02:29 PM
Well there's another one: Estonian Draft Horse.
Estorian Draft | PetMD
    05-07-2010, 02:50 AM
I never knew the Noriker was a draft! They're gorgeous
neighbor had a Sufflok Punch cross who lived to 40yrs
    05-07-2010, 02:51 AM
I really like the Black Forest Horse too
SugerBush is a cool name for a horse!
    06-27-2010, 05:43 PM
Yes, most of the drafts listed on the first post are french. I know all of them and grew up around them

As some of you asked, they are actually still being used in famrs in france.
Not all of them of course, but couple of farms , that I would call " real" farm as they continued and still do everything like it was done a long time ago. They still use drafts, hopefully and that's probably how France is keeping the same gene pool for some of these breed like the Breton,ect...

It is obviously like anywhere else, where some drafts don't have the same gene pool as it used to be, or are mainly breeding for meat which I hate

But humans and technology have evolved, so some people prefer to follow technology rather than sticking with their own roots

Like someone said, also, when european drafts like Percheron or Clydesdale are brought to USA, the gene pool is change whatsoever, and obviously the breed doesnt look like they used too.
Although, the last percherons I have seen, and the ones I work with, still have some good standards like the ones I see in France.

BTW, there easy to pronounce for me

I really wish people would see how amazing draft are. Ok, you might not be able to go to shows or GP jumping with them, but their great with kids, they love to work, they re just pure awesomeness to me ( not really english I know)
When I get establish, i'd rather save drafts and give them the life they deserve than getting GP selle francais or hanovrian
    11-30-2011, 07:41 PM
The Poitevin (mulassier) is nearly extinct. There are about 400 in France, a few in Sweden, and three in the USA. They cannot be exported for the most part due to the piroplasmosis testing rules in the USA. Stallions that do not get breeding permits (required at inspections, the Concours, each year) are often sold for meat (which is a delicacy in France). There are only six or seven known sire lines left, and the number of horses has been less than 1000 for several decades. The Mulassier is bred to the Baudet du Poitou donkey to produce the famed Poitou Mule. These animals were prized before the advent of WWII and mechanization. Sadly, the Poitou donkey is almost extinct as well.

    11-30-2011, 10:26 PM
A Noriker is a 'solid colour Gypsy Vanner'??? Are you nuts? Who ever said such a thing? Besides, only very few Gypsies can be called 'Vanners' and that only if they happen to be registered in that 'vanner' registry.

Many of the horses above, are well known in the US and especially well known in their country of origin.

    11-30-2011, 10:33 PM
Originally Posted by masatisan    
I do not consider Gypsy Vanner horses a draft breed. Ever. They are cobs, and to me, cobs fall under their own distinct grouping. Just because they are hairy and built heavily, does not make them drafts.
Do you know the history of Gypsy Horses? They were bred to pull the vardos/caravans of the Irish Travellers and the Rom who roamed the UK. These caravans, which held everything the (often) huge family owned, were incredibly heavy. All clothing, bedding, iron stoves, kitchen utensils and dishes. Except for the very elderly and babies, most of the family actually walked beside. This to help the horses pull the load.

Yes. The Gypsy is definitely a draught horse.

    12-02-2011, 03:22 PM
Don't forget, that breeds like the Trait Du Nord, Ardenese, dutch draft etc., while not entirely, are usually just another countries version of the Brabant. I only say this because horses from Belgium can be bred to horses from France, The Netherlands, Germany etc., and still be registerable as a Brabant in Belgium. I only know because I was doing a lot of research into importing Brabants from Belgium and a lot of the sires used were not from Belgium.

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