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    09-19-2012, 04:16 AM
  #11
Yearling
They're a dime a dozen in Britain and Ireland. Can't get out of bed without stepping on one. A bit like quarter horses in the US.
     
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    09-19-2012, 12:46 PM
  #12
Weanling
FeatheredFeet, I've seen a few gypsy's in the 3-5k range as well. I'm not in the market to buy one but if I was, I honestly wouldn't know where to start. It seems like there are breeders/sellers who still think it's the year 2002 and are selling them for 20k+, then you'll see the ones in the 10-15k range, and then the few in the 3-5k range and they all seem to be the same type of horse, meaning, it's not like the 16k one is a grand champion or something. So when I see the occasional 5k gypsy, I do have to admit I wonder what is wrong with it. And the answer is probably nothing. The seller is just realistic and the other sellers of the 20k gypsies are delusional.

Gypsies as a breed are incredible. Beauty and temperament comes at a price for all horses. So I don't know why gypsies get so much flack. I think if anything, it's the breeders/sellers of these horses who should be targeted for ridiculous prices and their magical/mystical websites, touting the horses like they are supernatural or something.
But why mock the horse? Why not mock the type of advertising they often get?

But even if their prices never dropped, they still would not be more expensive than most european horse breeds by me, especially when you are getting into anything that is considered Baroque (Friesians, Lippizanners, Lusitanos,Andalusians) are all priced top dollar, many times for doing nothing more than looking pretty and being well broke. So again, why the gypsy hate threads?
     
    09-19-2012, 01:18 PM
  #13
Green Broke
I certainly don't hate gypsys. The breed has a wonderful temperament! Easy going, calm and smart. We had one as a therapy horse and used him for back riding. He was definitely a clown and ROCK steady. I just can't wrap my head around the price tag, besides "ohhhhhh and ahhhhh" factor what else makes them so outrageously priced.

I wouldn't care what others think about what I ride, but I do think 95% of the breeds history is over in Europe. That's why I'm curious to know the European feeling on them. Would I care if they (or a breed I prefer) were the most hated breed in whatever country, no, but I would still be curious to know!
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    09-19-2012, 01:38 PM
  #14
Weanling
Sorry I didn't mean to sound like I was picking on you. It's just when you see the 1000th "What's so great about gypsies?" thread, I just can't help but get a little defensive over them. I wonder why we don't see threads regarding other breeds with high price tags simply because they are exotic and look pretty? What about overpriced Andalusians? Honestly, I think Friesians are the most overpriced breed. I've seen horses that are nothing more than a Friesian cross commanding 10k and up. What about gaited horses? People here want 7-8k for gaited trail horses and nobody gets riled up over their price. What is it about these furry little buggers that gets everyone so lathered up over their cost?

I think the Gypsy horse comparison to quarter horses in the US is a probably a good one. What's common in one place is exotic in another. True with most things, not just horses. The word "exotic" is relative.
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    09-19-2012, 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Shropshirerosie    
I can only speak for England where Gypsy Cobs (same thing, different name in the UK) are very popular and very plentiful. They're not looked down on, no breed is I think But obviously are more useful for some pastimes than others.

They are certainly not expensive - sadly, as with so many horses of all breeds, the economic situation means that the unfinished ones can go for meat money or less.
Totally true.
They have been around for years and were the mainstay of the trekking centres and riding schools because they were cheap to buy, easy to feed and generally quiet enough for anyone to ride so you could put a small child on one or a large man as they are up to the weight
There have always been distinct types - the smaller cobs that would ride & drive, the larger vanners that were used mostly for haulage and the long legged/shorter backed types that the gypsies use for racing in harness. There have always been small ponies about too that were bred by gypsies for the same market but they don't have the feather
People in the UK will pay good money for quality cobs especially for in the showring but they have to be that quality or they sell cheap or go for meat. The coloureds (pintos) were making considerably more money than the plain clours regardless of if they were any better
We had a breeder by us who was making way more money on the Drum horses he sold to the US than the ones he sold in the UK
Americans are going to sales like Appleby and buying these horses - I have bought from many sales in the UK but would never buy from that one!!!!
     
    09-19-2012, 01:54 PM
  #16
Showing
I think they're adorable, and I've heard they have great personalities. However, I'm not willing to pay new vehicle prices for an animal merely because it's the horse du jour, has some mystical, made-up history, or because it has more hair than Fabio.

I feel the same way about Friesians, so save your ranting because you think I have some sort of hate-on for GVs.

Once people stop thinking they've bought into some fairy fantasy, maybe the price on these breeds will drop down to more reasonable levels.
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    09-19-2012, 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Speed Racer    
I think they're adorable, and I've heard they have great personalities. However, I'm not willing to pay new vehicle prices for an animal merely because it's the horse du jour, has some mystical, made-up history, or because it has more hair than Fabio.

I feel the same way about Friesians, so save your ranting because you think I have some sort of hate-on for GVs.

Once people stop thinking they've bought into some fairy fantasy, maybe the price on these breeds will drop down to more reasonable levels.
Speed racer - You may be accused of being blunt at times but you have hit the nail right on the head here - most of the hype is mystical made up history. I grew up around gypsies and people who call themselves gypsies, a lot of them are settled (not travellers) and have been for years and I hold many of them in a high regard as I do anyone else in the horse business.
I have a 'Gypsy cob' She is really true to type in her looks, has a British passport though at the time DEFRA were still not recognising them as a breed she could be registered in the US. However I know for a fact that she doesn't come from a long line of identical looking gypsy cobs - she is a Clyde x arabian!!!
I have some some great gypsy horses over here, I have also seen some terrible ones. Many of these horses have no known breeding in the UK so chances are when they are bred to each other there are going to be some throwbacks along the way.
The typical show pony in the UK is pretty much a miniature TB originating from the polo pony breeding. They throw some welsh, connemara and sometimes arab in to the mix
Its not unusual for a pony bred to be a 13.2 to grow to 16.2
     
    09-19-2012, 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Speed Racer    
I think they're adorable, and I've heard they have great personalities. However, I'm not willing to pay new vehicle prices for an animal merely because it's the horse du jour, has some mystical, made-up history, or because it has more hair than Fabio.

I feel the same way about Friesians, so save your ranting because you think I have some sort of hate-on for GVs.

Once people stop thinking they've bought into some fairy fantasy, maybe the price on these breeds will drop down to more reasonable levels.
I'd love to know, where anyone can purchase a new vehicle, for $3,500, Speed Racer.

Please know also, that I believe a the moment, there are probably close to 40,000 Gypsy Horses in the US. 99.9% of us, do NOT think our horse are mystical. We rather laugh at those who do have such silliness, on their websites. There again, I've also seen such things on the websites of other breeds, but nobody seems to complain about them.

Gypsy Horses have been known in the US, for about 30 years now. However, until one person decided to make a registry for them and give it the rather unwelcome name of 'Vanner', few had heard of them. His tremendous advertising campaigns and prices to match, upset many in other breeds. The old word 'Vanner' in the UK, was a name given to any breed of horse, which pulled a van. The men who drove those vans, were also called 'vanners'. This was of course, in the days before automobiles. Small or large, delivery carts were known as vans. Some old timers, still call all horses which pull something, vanners. And again, the vast majority of Gypsy owners across the world, do NOT call their horses, vanners. The Gypsies themselves hate the word, since they apply it to horses of lesser quality, (they call them half-leggers) sold off and not used for breeding. However, due to a huge advetising budget and unfortunately much misinformation put about a few years ago, the name has stuck in the minds of the American public.

Just as in other breeds, serious fanciers love our Gypsies. You will never find a Gypsy Horse owner, running down the breeds of others or the prices asked, yet on such forums as this, we constantly see people running down the Gypsy Horse, the prices asked and constantly making fun of a few who have something silly, written on their websites.

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    09-19-2012, 03:51 PM
  #19
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Jaydee, I have never yet seen a true Gypsy Horse, who was obviously a cross between a Clyde and Arabian.

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    09-19-2012, 04:01 PM
  #20
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This is her - we don't keep her feathered (they were full when we bought her) or her mane and tail long as it doesn't suit what we do - way too much work
Its very difficult to even get two approved gypsies that are totally alike in conformation and it was only when coloured horse became so popular in the UK that more focus was put into them rather than solid colours.
A lot of these horses are bred for the UK showring where they are shown clipped. Hogged/roached and manes pulled - they are worth more money and the better quality smaller heads and length of stride makes them better still
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