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  • Gypsy vanner with aa dorsal stripe
  • Gypsie vanner genetics recessive

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    09-19-2012, 04:31 PM
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Pretty girl. What do you mean by her having 'full' feather? Feather is a recessive gene and not yet, quite understood. It is also not the same gene (we think) which denotes mane and tail thickness.

Any time a quality Gypsy, with the correct amount of feather, is bred to another non-feathered breed, a great deal of feather is lost. Sometimes, Clydes and/or heavily feathered Shires, when crossed with Gypsies, to produce Drum Horses, do retain a reasonable amount of feather.

I don't think it is one little bit difficult, to find who quality Gypsies, who look alike in type or conformation. There are tons of good ones, all across the world, who look very alike.

Could I ask which registry in the US, was willing to register your horse as purebred? Amazing to me, since for many years, DNA has been required for registration. Some registries do however, register part-breds. Our world-wide, DNA data base is enormous now and added to constantly. For the last ten years, I have personally done a huge amount of pedigree research and tried to add the DNA of very old and famous horses, to our DNA database. It has been the only way to confirm, what we have been told. Our DNA'd pedigrees, are in fact, a lot more reliable than many pedigrees in some other breeds.

Interviews with some of the (now) very old breeders, have given us a great deal of insight, into the breed. Collecting old photos, have also helped. We, as fanciers of the breed, don't or try not to, just accept that anything with a bit of colour from the UK, is a true Gypsy Horse. Fact is, that most of the coloured horses seen by the side of the road in the UK, are just that - some type of coloured horse. The truly top quality herds of Gypsy Horses, are seldom seen by the public.

Question, if I may. Why would you never purchase a horse from Appleby?

Lizzie
     
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    09-19-2012, 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by loveduffy    
I do not know I ride my Belgium horse so what could I say
Loveduffy, just had to add. You don't ride a Belgium horse. You ride a 'Belgian'.

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    09-19-2012, 06:49 PM
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I have no idea why they're so expensive! I have a half gypsy 2 year old we got free at our rescue, because no one wanted to geld him and he got too violent for them. Well he got his operation and he's a wonderful baby!!

Here's my free gypsy:





     
    09-19-2012, 08:15 PM
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Mmm. This is the trouble. People deciding to breed crossbreds, with little hope of them finding a home. I'm glad you got him, PunksTank. Rather like in Friesians, we constantly see people breeding crossbred Gypsies. There again, most who have a good stallion, would not entertain crossbreeding, unless breeding Drum Horses.

As you see with this one above, the cross possesses none of the feather, we insist upon, in true Gypsy Horses.

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    09-19-2012, 08:27 PM
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I'm glad I got him too! He's a bundle of joy! In this case they weren't breeding on purpose though - their little 9 hand shetland mare got loose and found the neighborhood 14 hand gypsy stud. The owners said that by the time she knew she was pregnant it was too late to do anything about it and the vet said it would most likely be safe to let her carry out the birth.
He actually does have quite a bit of feathering, those pics are a year old, so he was only 1 - he is still not as extremely feathered as s gypsy but pretty close! He's learning to wear leg wraps for the farrier to do his feet xD

He's SUCH a good pony, he's almost 13 hands now amazingly! Not sure what color he is though, his mom was true black and we have no clue what the stallion was. The tiny patch of mane that's colored is darker than his body, so not a chestnut or palomino, but not black, maybe some sort of dun?
     
    09-19-2012, 08:46 PM
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With Shetlands coming in a large variety of colours and the Gypsies too, he could be anything. Testing would tell. Obviously tobiano and probably splash and sabino. I cannot remember seeing a true dun Gypsy but I believe some Shetlands are dun. We also have no frame, in the Gypsy breed. Another reason we do not like them bred to Paints or Minis.

Should add, that many in the UK, call buckskins, 'dun'.

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    09-19-2012, 08:52 PM
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Ohhh interesting! Well his mom was a true solid black so whatever he is he got from his dad - cause he didn't get the black gene. :P
That's interesting I was always taught a buckskin=bay+cream and dun is the dun factor, the dorsal stripe and all. Typically if someone just says 'dun' they mean bay dun though.
     
    09-19-2012, 09:04 PM
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I'm not undermining or "running down" any breeds. I just want to know why they come with such a huge price tag. I think its a pretty fair question.

Yeah, why not appleby? I saw it on the show about gypsy people on TLC. I'm assuming it has to do with reputation and quality...
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    09-19-2012, 09:08 PM
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I too agree with feather on the cross breeding. I met someone who was upset that they could not register their Fresian/standardbred cross. I was like that's a silly intentional combination to make, because the fresian people are so not registering it and the USTA has no interest in that business either.

I have not met many gypsy horses. I have seen them in various show events and met a lovely pair that was being trained and worked by a 14 year old. Those two horses really impressed me. Quiet, well mannered and very sweet. I do see a lot of them for the 10,000 mark. You see the same price tag with most warmbloods. Lets not even talk about how much the yearling thoroughbreds are going for. Remember a horse is only worth what someone wants to pay for it.

I do think the hype around them and the silly "mystical horse of the gypsies" mythos is a bit of a turn off. I see the same thing with some arabians too so its an angle that some breeders take to sell stock. So, I don't think I can say gypsy breeders do x, y and z that no other breeders do because that's just not true. Horse breeders are horse breeders and at the end of the day they all share some common faults.
     
    09-19-2012, 09:25 PM
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I love Gypsy's - they're great horses, the only thing that makes them worth so much is the price tag that's put on them and that there aren't cheaper ones out there. Soon as a few studs get out to silly breeders everyone will have one and they'll be as 'outdated' as Arabians - look at my rescue half full of broken down show Arabians.
I met a woman at a barn I work at, she bought her daughter a $40,000 American Warmblood. I saw this stunning horse, but nothing that made him worth $40,000. I asked about his pedigree, they said they don't know the parent's names, but his dad was a Percheron and his mom was an OTTB who "raced in 28 races" or some silly thing like that. Horses are worth whatever silly people will pay for them. Gypsy's will be worth however much someone will pay for one.
     

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