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    11-09-2012, 11:24 AM
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I was really saddened to read in a Horse & Hound link that about 24 gypsy cob colts have now been found dead & abandoned in the Bridgend Glamorgan area of Wales because prices have dropped so low that the cost of passporting/microchipping them and castration is above what they're worth.
Breeders have overbred and demand from the US buyers has fallen off so they can be picked up very cheaply but given the cost of a flight over there and the transportation & quarantine costs its still probably cheaper to buy one form a US breeder now and there is some fantastic quality over here too as a lot more thought and effort has been put into producing true to type DNA tested animals
     
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    11-09-2012, 12:45 PM
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I think you'll find that is an old link. It was well documented, as to who owned them. Not just the economy, but irresponsible breeding in enormous numbers. Everyone knows who owned them and it was not the first time he'd dumped horses or put them illegally on the land of others, when he couldn't feed them all. Greed and nothing less.

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    11-10-2012, 02:11 PM
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Interesting that you brought this up, jaydee. Here's the latest...

BBC News - Horse trader Tom Price handed anti-social behaviour order

Finally something being done.

Lizzie
     
    11-12-2012, 02:06 PM
  #84
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Interesting that you brought this up, jaydee. Here's the latest...

BBC News - Horse trader Tom Price handed anti-social behaviour order

Finally something being done.

Lizzie
For his own sake as well as all the poor horses he's over produced Lizzie
He was always a regular around the sales and though not the brightest spark in the fire used to sell some really nice cobs at auctions to dealers, riding schools and trekking centres. His horses tended to have prettier heads and good rounded quarters which made them more popular. Of course he was content to get what he could for them then and the surplus went the way of all things surplus - to the slaughter yards.
I think he was built up to really believe he was more than he actually was - in the UK he was just another gypsy type horse breeder/dealer selling at the low end of the market then overnight he was made out to be like some sort of a celebrity
He had a load of cobs in a sale we were at in about 2005 and we bid on two of them as my son wanted a gypsy/traditional coloured cob which we did find eventually. The two he sold made way more than we saw as realistically priced and he took the others back home saying 'he could get a lot more for them' sold privately - doubtless he might but some dealer 'friends' we were standing with who had bought a lot from him in the past said he was 'pricing himself out of the average market as just because you can sell a few at a high figure doesn't mean you can sell them all like that especially in a small country like the UK, I think he was very dependant on the US buyers
     
    11-12-2012, 02:23 PM
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He does call himself, "The King of the Gypsies". In his defense, I will say that he has produced some incredibly good horses over the years and still owns some superior ones. However, one new-to-the-breed big buyer in the US, has brought in some rather iffy examples of the breed and by the dozen, unfortunately. He does hold an 'open house' each year, to attract buyers from all over the world, where he shows a very small portion of his horses. I think most of his horses are sold to European countries now. Someone on this forum I believe, has a boyfriend who actually drives his horses to the airport, so knows how many thousands go off to other countries. Not many purchase from him in the US now though.

Lizzie
     
    11-12-2012, 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by FeatheredFeet    
He does call himself, "The King of the Gypsies". In his defense, I will say that he has produced some incredibly good horses over the years and still owns some superior ones. However, one new-to-the-breed big buyer in the US, has brought in some rather iffy examples of the breed and by the dozen, unfortunately. He does hold an 'open house' each year, to attract buyers from all over the world, where he shows a very small portion of his horses. I think most of his horses are sold to European countries now. Someone on this forum I believe, has a boyfriend who actually drives his horses to the airport, so knows how many thousands go off to other countries. Not many purchase from him in the US now though.

Lizzie
There were some very poor ones at the Equine Affaire at the weekend - my husband won't let me go too close as I can't help but criticise!!! There were some nice ones I have to add but buyers really do need to be discerning and not be fooled by a lot of mane, tail & feather to cover up ugly heads and poor conformation. They need to look like cobs and not little cart horses - some of them are way too short backed and leggy with heads like buckets
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    11-12-2012, 02:43 PM
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Some might be interested to see the Heartland Fall Classic Pics.

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    11-12-2012, 03:07 PM
  #88
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Larissa sure takes some beautiful pictures.
     
    11-13-2012, 10:32 AM
  #89
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Here is my Gyspy Cob/Haflinger cross. She is 7 months and smart as can be.
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    11-13-2012, 11:07 AM
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Some might be interested to see the Heartland Fall Classic Pics.

BlackHorsePhotography's Photos : Events

Lizzie
Thanks for posting that link - some really nice examples there. Showing them in the UK is so much easier as its such a small country and never far to travel plus you can show them in the new Gypsy classes as well as in traditional cob and Coloured Horse Society classes which go right the way to the Horse of the Year Show. The good ones are still going to make high prices for that level and with more high end breeders standing approved stallions now its going to push the 'rest' out of the picture and back to producing cheap horses for riding schools again
I really liked the little liver chestnut - nice to see different colours as they used be more of them before the UK went coloured horse crazy in the 80's
I do think that chestnut and a lot of others that catch my eye have more than a touch of welsh cob about them - smaller prettier heads
     

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