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    10-16-2013, 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by tinyliny    
I adore the Irish Draught horse! But I don't see them much in the US.
My hacking buddy has two and they are gorgeous, both are TB crosses and one is a SJ and one is heading towards being a very good eventer. They have beautiful manners and natures.
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    10-16-2013, 03:20 PM
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The client is very much hung up on gray. He is wanting to use our ranch type AQHA mares that are gray and breed to a gray draft or half draft that does not have a red gene.

We have bred a lot of gray mares to a gray stud and did not see any difference in how fast they grayed out as long as they were foaled black or bay.

Our Driftwood bred stallion that we sold to the UK last year carried a gray gene and a dun gene. If his foals were born dun, buckskin or red, they grayed out very quickly, regardless of the color of the dam. If they were born bay, black or brown, they were dark dappled gray and held their color good. Our old stud, Classical Silver, did not have a red gene. He sired 80% grays and 20% bays and 100% grays from gray mares. All of his gray foals , even out of gray mares, were born black and dappled out and were dark until they were 8 or 10.

He is wanting to raise rodeo pick-up horses and big trail horses for heavy riders. I do not think he wants a TB cross. He is not looking for Dressage or Cross Country horses and sure does not want a 'hot' horse. He is not looking for a huge horse but one that is bigger, stronger and heavier than a stock-type QH and MUST be gray -- preferably without a red gene. A QH cross would be great.

Since these would be my mares, I have more than a little interest in finding him a good stallion that has good legs and feet, good bone and is not real jug headed. I know the foals will be coarse and probably pretty 'plain' by QH standards, but I hate to see him breed a bunch of really fugly ducklings.

I've never seen a Irish Draft except in pictures. I do not know if there are any here. I know he is not going to pay a huge price for one.

Are they still raising any PMU foals in Canada? Didn't some of the PMU breeders breed draft crosses? Anybode up there know anything about them?

Thank everyone. Cherie
    10-16-2013, 03:41 PM
My boy was a PMU foal, as was his sister. The majority of the PMU farms, as far as I know, have gone out of business, as the use of Premarin (the reason the PMU farms were in business in the first place) has declined.

This is the farm my boy was bred at:
Edelweiss Percherons

They haven't bred any foals (at least that have gone up for sale) since 2010, as far as I can tell. Aires (and his sister) was one of their 2009 foals.
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    10-16-2013, 05:39 PM
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I'm not sure he'd find a cheap Irish Draft but bred to a QH you would get a sturdier horse for sure - compact and with good quarters as both have those qualities and the temperament should be good too
These people in CT breed Percherons and might be able to help
North Point Farm, Registered Percherons - Litchfield, Connecticut
    10-16-2013, 11:03 PM
Originally Posted by Cherie    
Since these would be my mares, I have more than a little interest in finding him a good stallion that has good legs and feet, good bone and is not real jug headed. I know the foals will be coarse and probably pretty 'plain' by QH standards, but I hate to see him breed a bunch of really fugly ducklings.
LOL, pretty is as pretty does . If the foals are born sturdy with good minds, then that's a lot more important than looking pretty. I get where you're coming from though, pretty is always better than ugly given that the horse has a good mind and strong body.

If you haven't found anything by next April, you might look up here
Southcentral Kansas Draft Horse & Mule Sale - Kingman, Kansas

We've tried to go at least once a year since I was a little bitty kid and they usually have at least some really nice draft and draft x stock up there. Even if they don't have anything at the sale, there will be folks there that know where there might be some elsewhere that isn't halfway across the country.

Kingman would probably still be a 8+ hour drive for you, but that's the only respectable sale I have any personal experience with that specializes in draft types.
    10-17-2013, 08:51 AM
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Wichita is about 4 hours from here. It looks like Kingman is another 30 minutes west of Wichita.

The man wanting to do this using our mares would like a breeding age stallion by next spring. Part of these gray mares will foal in April and May. The others are open.
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    10-17-2013, 10:57 AM
The 4 state draft horse sale is this weekend. I don't know anything about the quality of horses that come out of that sale but there are some good breeders in MO that probably attend. The only Percheron breeder I know in OK is the Arringtons in Enid. I have only seen blacks come out of their operation. They bring their stud colts up here and run them through our draft horse sale all the time. He does have some nice mares but I have never seen his foals as adults.

My point on grey Percherons is there is so much grey in most of their background that you don't end up with a strong grey down the road. They are out of grey stock top and bottom and the foal will change rapidly. Most are born grey. The most recognized grey hitch, Ames, typically has horses that are only 3-6 years old and has to constantly switch them out to maintain their look. I would want a black sire or dam. You don't have to be too concerned about a red gene. Less than 1% are born sorrel or bay and most of that can be traced to one mare.

They are still raising PMU foals. It looks like their numbers are down to 3 farms. I have visited Charleswood foal shopping about 10 years ago. They raised mostly greys back then and it looks like about 50% of the mares are grey but all the stallions are black. Their stock is strong Canadian lines with some modern US stallion infusion.

The elite and the large draft horse sales are mostly done for the year. They will start back up in March. Mature proven breeding stallions are cheap. You can pick one up under $5K. Most are more likely in the $2-3K range and a weanling/yearling might go for $1-3K.
    10-17-2013, 09:13 PM
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I do not know if I can get this photo to post or not. When it comes to computers, I am technologically challenged (or so my son says). This is just a photo snapped last summer of 2 of the mares we are talking about. There are 6 more that look just like them.
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    10-18-2013, 08:50 AM
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They look quite lightly built but really nice types
The biggest problem with cross breeding a lightweight horse like that to something as heavy as a Percheron is that there's no guarantee of what you get - which you obviously know anyway - but in the UK where we get more crossbreeding you do see some really fugly offspring in the sales - for eg - the lightweight body with huge hooves and a large out of proportion head or a hefty body on really fine legs that don't stand the weight - neither would really serve the purpose he's looking for and that would mean a whole wasted breeding and a useless offspring to get rid of
He seems to want to breed what we call cobs in the UK (not all cobs are the gypsy type) so he might do better if he started out with cobs and bought an Irish Draft stallion or a grey cob type stallion.
    10-18-2013, 09:23 AM
Just a word of caution, there was a lady who had a lighter boned Saddlebred mare, she wanted to breed her to a Clydesdale stallion. Many of us cautioned her not to do the breeding, she didn't use a breeding ring, and he penetrated her vaginal wall because he was just too large of a stallion physically and otherwise. The mare bled out something like 4 or so hours later.

While I know many people swear that the foal won't grow larger than the womb, I think it is safer in the long run if you use a draft mare and a light horse stallion. Just my .02 worth, take it for what it is worth.
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