INTIMIDATION Sets In. Help Please.

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    08-19-2010, 10:48 PM
Exclamation INTIMIDATION Sets In. Help Please.

So I have my new draft (new to me), and this is day 2 with him. Today I went out and was able to catch him no problem. I brushed him, and sprayed him. Which was my entire purpose for catching him. Let him go and did same to my daughters pony.

So later this evening I thought I would get him out and walk around our property with him. I caught him no problem again, then was taking him out and a horse fly started messin with his face. He started getting agitated and was backing up---OBVIOUSLY because of of the horse fly. I was keeping composure and giving him room on a lead to back up and do his thing but all the time getting nervous that he would pull loose of me and take off. Then how would I get him? Made me nervous. Any suggestions on what I could be doing different. This is a 1800lb beauty that could drag me around town, so obviously if it came to it Id have to let go. Any suggestions?

Secondly-- When I got him out, I walked about 20 ft from the fenced area he was in and he started to pull on me to go his own direction. I know people say to do ground work and walk the area you will be riding. I kept getting the feeling like he wanted to take off running. We have not got this area fenced yet (working on saving up for it) so made me a bit nervous. If he starts to pull a different direction, should I yank on his halter to correct him?

Thirdly-- While I was out with him the Pony started going NUTS. He was trying to break out of the fence and head butting the gate. He was TICKED that he wasnt out too. My husband had to go hold the gate and then come hold Moose so I could take a lead rope and swing it by the pony to get him to back off. My husband is wanting his own horse, we were considering getting another one so we could take Lessons together....would that help the pony? I don't want to get in over my head either. I am fully capable of caring for the horses, bathing, grooming and all that. But handling is a work in process.

So then we called it a night and put Moose back. Everything was positive as far as nothing really bad happening and I wanted to leave it that way. Baby steps.

I know its been forever since I've rode and messed with the horses, and the pony was easy as pie. BUT now I have something 3 times the size of the pony. I want to do this all right. I can feel my own intimidation with him. I know that will get better with time. But anything you guys can help me with would be great.

My trainer that comes and teaches my daughter is supposed to come by next week....but that's 5 days from now. I don't want to just stop messing with him ---

Thanks for all your help!
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    08-19-2010, 11:01 PM
I would have shooed the fly away ...
And defentaly yank his halter to get his attention if you need extra pressure rope halters work beutifuly when the need to
    08-19-2010, 11:16 PM
He can deal with the fly. Brush it away if you like. I wouldn't let him choose if and where he walks. You tell him, not the other way around.

You need some confidence. Size doesn't matter. The pony can drag you around too. It's all about the mind. Spend lots of time reminding him and yourself that you dictate what he does. Work in an area you are comfortable in and move him around: forwards, backwards, sideways, circles, stop and go, repeat, repeat. When he thinks he knows what you expect from him, change it up. Keep him on his toes -- that is, keep his attention on you. Keep it simple to build up your own confidence.
    08-19-2010, 11:21 PM
So if he starts backing away with the fly should I pull him forward and try to keep him still instead of letting him pull away?

What do you do if he goes an opposite way of me and pulls me. Do I jerk the halter?

Its definitely a confidence issue----should come with time.
What about the pony trying to break out? Should I move forward with my husbands horse so the pony can have someone in there with him or how do I keep the pony from hurting himself and trying to break out?
    08-19-2010, 11:21 PM
Green Broke
Don't push things. I get a feeling you are trying to make things happen to quickly. Let the horse get adjusted to his new area. Let him get adjusted to you. Spend time around him, not necessarily doing anything.

You have a real lack of confidence. I wouldn't be doing much with him until you spend time with a trainer who can help you over it. Once he figures you out, he could easily take advantage of you and then something could happen. Been there done that.

You said you don't want to stop messing with him, but I don't think you want to get hurt either. Five days is not going to make a bit of difference. The horse is 14 right? He's not going to unlearn anything in five days.

I'd wait if I were you. Like I said, spend time in his presence. Put his halter and lead rope on and just brush him. You don't need to walk around. He needs time to get to know you and you need time to get to know him. Rushing it is going to get you in trouble.
    08-19-2010, 11:31 PM
Solon's right -- I forgot you just got him. Take your time and baby steps.

That said, with the fly issue: move his feet other than the way he wants to go. Easiest is to turn him towards you. I'm not a fan of jerking unless you can follow through. You may need more pressure -- rope halter, war bridle, even a chain (but get instruction on safe use of a chain). Does he respond to pressure? You can experiment with that with simple grooming as Solon has suggested.

Pony: I would put the pony in a secure area instead. I wouldn't get another horse until you have your current activities better in hand. Moose doesn't need the distraction either.

Pony wants out:
    08-19-2010, 11:46 PM
^ please excuse last line -- it's past my bedtime...
    08-20-2010, 01:08 AM
Agree with all the above. Spend time brushing, working feet and getting used to each other. There are also small things you can do with big payoffs--like checking for training holes. I found out the hard way that my boys were both taught to give their heads to pressure laterally but not vertically. Big problem when you are trying to halter a draft or tie one. So just spending time checking feet, head yields, touching everything (mr winkie included)---that is time well spent in my book. You learn him and he learns when you--and when you mean business.
    08-20-2010, 01:12 AM
Thanks guys!

Head yields? What does that mean?

I do notice its hard to get him to drop his head for me to halter him, I have to stand on my tippy toes. But he has not been pulling away from me which makes it wayyyyyy easier.

Catching the pony is kind of difficult----so taking him and putting him somewhere everytime I get Moose out is going to be hard....any other ideas with the pony?
    08-20-2010, 02:06 AM
Most horses are pretty sensitive. When he was pulling back, I doubt he was really that annoyed by a fly. I would think that was a test..a 'hmmm...wonder if I do this...what will she do??" test. Next time he does it just be prepared. When he starts pulling back, fix the problem if you can (swat the fly) and if he continues...give him a "AH-AH!" or a nice sharp "NO" if he continues, so do you. Progress up to a tap on the lead line with a "NO" if he still continues, move his feet. It doesnt much matter which direction, its the idea that its YOUR idea, not his.

I would certainly slow things down. We usually allow our horses a full week to adjust to farm life. Our farm is a bit different than other though as it is a real honest to goodness working farm. Lots of sights sounds and smells to get used to.

As far as the pony goes...your going to have to tie him up for a while when you are working with your boy...atleast until you get some confidence. Once your confidence is back, you can work on working around the pony. I wouldnt jump into buying another horse just to shut the pony up. The trouble with that you get another horse and you and your husband want to go for a ride...the pony is left you buy another TWO horses and the whole family wants to go ride...theres a horse left alone. They don't like being left but eventually they have to get over it.

Good luck with him!

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