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    05-17-2012, 08:30 PM
  #11
Yearling
Wow her back looks heaps better! She is gorgeous
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    05-18-2012, 01:18 AM
  #12
Started
I have learned recently that her name was Sky before I re-named her and that she possibly came from a breeder in southern California.
     
    05-20-2012, 12:50 PM
  #13
Yearling
Hey guys..sorry to hijack your thread, but I am only doing so because others reading may have the same questions...OR...I could be the only "dummy" out here! I know I could just research this, too, but you seem to know a lot about this, so I'll bug you guys instead!

1) What issues cause a swayback? Is it initially genetic, but then worsens with age/poor nutrition/breeding??

2) Are swayback horses able to be safely ridden, or is the musculature so weak as to cause harm with riding? Does it depend on the degree of sway?

3) you were discussing, I'm assuming, back strengthening exercises...how much can such reverse an existing problem, and if so, how long does that take on average if done properly?

The answers seem rather obvious, however, I have always been very curious about such! By the way, OP, I DO see a slight difference from the 1st to 2nd photo...! Thanks a lot for any info! :0)
     
    05-20-2012, 08:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Back2Horseback    
Hey guys..sorry to hijack your thread, but I am only doing so because others reading may have the same questions...OR...I could be the only "dummy" out here! I know I could just research this, too, but you seem to know a lot about this, so I'll bug you guys instead!

1) What issues cause a swayback? Is it initially genetic, but then worsens with age/poor nutrition/breeding??

2) Are swayback horses able to be safely ridden, or is the musculature so weak as to cause harm with riding? Does it depend on the degree of sway?

3) you were discussing, I'm assuming, back strengthening exercises...how much can such reverse an existing problem, and if so, how long does that take on average if done properly?

The answers seem rather obvious, however, I have always been very curious about such! By the way, OP, I DO see a slight difference from the 1st to 2nd photo...! Thanks a lot for any info! :0)
This is my opinion, and I'm sure there are more that know more than I do....

I believe it can be genetic. However, from what I'm told, Belle was not swayback a few years back by someone I know that used to have her boarded at his facility. Since then, she was badly neglected and had a foal. She was left in a 50 foot paddock with her filly that grew bigger than she was....she had no exercise, hoof care and poor diet. So her muscles atrophied from the lack of movement and poor nutrician. Plus she foaled and she already has a long back to begin with.

It has been a slow process with Belle. I had to get her feet right. She wasn't even able to barely walk or stand when she came to me almost a year ago. Then it took time for her muscles to develop again and strengthen. We worked her very slowly. I ride her and have begun to drive her. I have heard of people with swayback horses still competing with them, not sure how that varies. Belle's back will never be the same, but has strengthened significantly. Enough now to where I just started cantering her under saddle. We go on long trail rides and she does anything I ask of her. She seems very happy.
     
    05-21-2012, 12:26 AM
  #15
Showing
Unfortunately I don't know much about sway backs, however..

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3) you were discussing, I'm assuming, back strengthening exercises...how much can such reverse an existing problem, and if so, how long does that take on average if done properly?
I recently found this lady: http://holistichorseworks.com/

Which lead me to this video:
Along with these exercises: Stretches (and muscle building) for your horse

Will help a lot.

I also emailed her and she got back to me right away. You pay her $65 and she helps you figure out what's going on with your horse.

She has an entire channel about work she has done and it has helped many many many horses. When I saw it, I thought of Oldhorselady's Belle and gave her the necessary info so she could check it out herself.

I highly recomend checking it out :)
     
    05-21-2012, 01:34 AM
  #16
Weanling
Tellington Touch (or TTouch) has a belly lift, it requires two people, holding a long and narrow towel, to lift, hold for about 10 seconds, then slowly release (release should take at least twice as long as the lift) along the belly starting at the elbows and steadily moving back towards the flank. It helps with gut movement, colic, cinchy-ness, and to raise sway backs.

This exercise may help where the back lifts (fingering the belly) might lack, as a back lift engages the belly muscles to make the horse support its belly, but the belly lifts temporarily take the downward pressure off the back.

The Pelvic Tilt is also recommended if a horse won't lift its back. The PT is a gentle push, hold, and release movement on the point of the butt to help release tension in the back and shoulders. Make the movement forward up to 4 seconds, and slowly release.
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    05-21-2012, 09:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Joidigm    
Tellington Touch (or TTouch) has a belly lift, it requires two people, holding a long and narrow towel, to lift, hold for about 10 seconds, then slowly release (release should take at least twice as long as the lift) along the belly starting at the elbows and steadily moving back towards the flank. It helps with gut movement, colic, cinchy-ness, and to raise sway backs.

This exercise may help where the back lifts (fingering the belly) might lack, as a back lift engages the belly muscles to make the horse support its belly, but the belly lifts temporarily take the downward pressure off the back.

The Pelvic Tilt is also recommended if a horse won't lift its back. The PT is a gentle push, hold, and release movement on the point of the butt to help release tension in the back and shoulders. Make the movement forward up to 4 seconds, and slowly release.
Thanks Joidigm! I have a T-Touch book and will look into that. She wouldn't life her belly when I tried to do it with my fingers. She loves her belly scratched, so I think she was waiting for me to do that and just standing still. I will try the T-Touch methods as well!
     
    05-21-2012, 12:23 PM
  #18
Yearling
Thanks for the very informative responses! Glad OP got some additional useful info too! I love this forum! :0)

Always lots of learning going on..by the way, to OP (just an FYI)...I love, love, LOVE drafts and draft crosses! What a lucky rescue your girl is, and a lucky mom you are!!
     
    05-21-2012, 05:07 PM
  #19
Green Broke
She looks healthier. Nice head . Her back looks the same amount of sway to me. Her head and neck are lower in pic 2. If you put her head and neck up high, her back will look more swayed. You cannot undo a sway back. You can help the horse develop stronger back muscles . I would continue the back strengthening, Please don't breed her again. Most sway backs are from genetic disorders ( not from being ridden at a young age, or every TB in the world would be swaybacked)
     
    05-21-2012, 07:44 PM
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Originally Posted by stevenson    
She looks healthier. Nice head . Her back looks the same amount of sway to me. Her head and neck are lower in pic 2. If you put her head and neck up high, her back will look more swayed. You cannot undo a sway back. You can help the horse develop stronger back muscles . I would continue the back strengthening, Please don't breed her again. Most sway backs are from genetic disorders ( not from being ridden at a young age, or every TB in the world would be swaybacked)
Thanks stevenson! I will definitely continue with her back strengthening. I will never breed her, no problem there. I totally agree with you about the TB world because I brought up that same point at one time! I will say that when she gets in a nice extended trot, her back comes up. Here is a picture....

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