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    02-02-2011, 10:02 PM
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Originally Posted by horse happy    
I'm pretty sure she was a pmu foal. I've tried to contact the ranch that she was born on in Manitoba, Canada since I have her export papers but I've gotten no response. I would love to find out what breed she is crossed with.
It's most unlikely that the shipper on her export papers is the breeder. Typically X bred foals are sold at weaning and they only retain replacement fillies that are purebred. If she were a replacement filly, they wouldn't hold on to her and dump her at 2. You can check her to see if she's microchipped and registered in the NAERIC program. There are very few Percheron PMU ranches left in Manitoba but what is there puts out top notch foals.

Also be conservative in feeding her. Drafts are very efficient with feed and can have explosive growth spurts that can compromise her long term soundness.
     
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    02-03-2011, 05:07 AM
  #72
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Originally Posted by Left Hand Percherons    
It's most unlikely that the shipper on her export papers is the breeder. Typically X bred foals are sold at weaning and they only retain replacement fillies that are purebred. If she were a replacement filly, they wouldn't hold on to her and dump her at 2. You can check her to see if she's microchipped and registered in the NAERIC program. There are very few Percheron PMU ranches left in Manitoba but what is there puts out top notch foals.

Also be conservative in feeding her. Drafts are very efficient with feed and can have explosive growth spurts that can compromise her long term soundness.
Thank you so much for this information Left Hand! According to the individual who owned her at the time she was found malnourished and in need, she was purchased here in Michigan as a six-month-old. The export papers say she was born in May of '08 and her first coggins was drawn in August of '08. I'm not sure what this information means. They have not gotten back with me and I'm guessing that I am not going to get anymore information on her past other than what sits here in front of me in black and white.

Now, I've changed my feeding a bit as I have been told by my vet to feed her twice a day with three pounds of senior feed next to three pounds of alfalfa cubes which have been soaked and softened. To the senior feed I've added an ounce of cocosoya. Please give me your opinion, does that seem excessive? I certainly don't want to compromise her in ANY way! I so appreciate all of your information :) Oh, by the way, I've tried to upload pics but am unable to figure out how. I did manage to create an album on my horse forum account so if you would like to see pics please check her out.
Thanks again!
     
    02-03-2011, 11:30 AM
  #73
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A coggins pulled in Aug would indicate that she is not from a PMU ranch or she lost her mother. Foals are weaned in Sept across the industry. If she lost her mother that would explain her poor condition and stunted growth as a weanling (but not as a 2 year old). Do you have her orginal coggins or export papers? PM their name.

Just as important as what you are supplementing her with, what type and how much hay is she getting and what are you offering as a vit/mineral supplement? If one of mine grew2-3 inches in a period of a few weeks, I'd be cutting her back to allow tendons and ligaments to catch up to the long bone spurt.
     
    02-03-2011, 12:33 PM
  #74
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Originally Posted by Left Hand Percherons    
A coggins pulled in Aug would indicate that she is not from a PMU ranch or she lost her mother. Foals are weaned in Sept across the industry. If she lost her mother that would explain her poor condition and stunted growth as a weanling (but not as a 2 year old). Do you have her orginal coggins or export papers? PM their name.

Just as important as what you are supplementing her with, what type and how much hay is she getting and what are you offering as a vit/mineral supplement? If one of mine grew2-3 inches in a period of a few weeks, I'd be cutting her back to allow tendons and ligaments to catch up to the long bone spurt.
Well, my filly was rescued from a situation where she was tied by a ten-foot lead to a four-wheeler and left out in a barren field with very little water. She was covered with bot eggs and rain rot. The individual who owned her told the person picking her up that he had purchased the filly as a six-month old for his children which were ages 4 and 6 at the time! He had no prior horse experience but wanted his children to experience horses...so it goes.. My filly was underweight and malnourished when she was found. Though I am not sure, I am suspecting that she was kept in this manner for most of the two years that she was owned by this man.

Besides the two three-pound feedings of senior feed and roughly six pounds of alfalfa daily she also has full access to a grass hay that my other horses are also feeding from. She has plenty of water, of course and a mineral block. In your opion would you think that I should up her feedings of senior feed and alfalfa or drop them back?

I appreciate your input. Thanks :)
     
    02-03-2011, 12:42 PM
  #75
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Oh, and I would also like to add that my filly still has her baby teeth and she looks very young, younger than a two-year-old actually. I was assuming that to be due to her lack of nourishment at a critical stage of growth. What is your opinion Left hand?
     
    02-03-2011, 06:53 PM
  #76
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At 2 1/2, she should just now be loosing here first set of incisors. I can't really imagine that nutrition plays a role when they shed their teeth. It's going to happen when it's going to happen.

As far as feeding her a senior, keep in mind that it is a complete feed so the nutrients are going to be diluted with forage therefore requiring more to get the same total amounts. It's also formulated for an older horse's nutritional requirements and if most notable lower in Lysine, Methionine and Cystine. These 3 AA are important in growth and development. Your alfalfa cubes are also going to be less nutrient dense than alfalfa hay as most cubes are made from lesser quality, lesser eye appeal hay. But that's not a bad thing now. Build her up slowly. The mineral block is another matter. If it's the traditional brown trace mineral block, it's pretty much useless as it's 99% salt. She should be getting a product that is 15%+ Ca and roughly 8%P.(you want twice as much Ca as P) It should also have a good Vit A (min 100,000 IU/#) and that will clear up any rainrot. I personally like the Moorman's and Progressive mineral products that are designed to be fed with grass hay. You can also go with just a ration balancer (Enrich 32...) but the loose is the cheapest way to go. I just hang a bucket with about one pound of the product by the water tank.

If she did grow 2 inches in a week, than you need to cut her back to nothing but grass hay and a mineral/vit supplement. Otherwise, leave her where she's at for a month at least. She has the potential to grow until she's 5-6 so stretch it out as long as you can.
     
    02-03-2011, 07:41 PM
  #77
Foal
Thanks for the information Left Hand. I will watch her very closely. My husband thinks that I have exagerated her measurements by not measuring her the same way in the same spot so maybe he is right. I will be very careful not to give her more food than she is in need of or the wrong foods!
     
    03-08-2011, 09:01 PM
  #78
Foal
Here's my mare Willow ..Who I believe is Arab/Percheron :)she's on the smaller side at only 15.2hh
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    03-09-2011, 06:04 PM
  #79
Foal
Thanks so much for sharing these Willowsgirl! She looks just lovely! Could you tell me, do you know how she looked as a two-year-old? I would be very, very happy indeed if my girl grows up and fills out like Willow. She looks stocky and sturdy and sweet, just love the look!
     
    03-11-2011, 10:27 PM
  #80
Foal
I've got 2 perch x, full brother and sister, coming 6 and 2 years old. They are by an arab x paint stud out of a purebred percheron mare. I purchased them both out of the meat horse part of a rural auction during Sept 2010. The first 4 pictures are of Mack (Mack Daddy) and the last one is of Little G (Sweet Georgia) who is not so little anymore. Mack is currently about 17hh and is still a little bum high so I'm expecting him to get a bit taller and then start filling out.....I'm predicting the need for a custom saddle in our future :roll: since I'm already using the XW gullets in my Bates saddles. He was barely halter broke when I got him at the auction....once you got the halter on him he was fine to lead but getting the halter on him was never boring! But once he started working on a consistant basis he learned very quickly and has been a dream to work with, I'm amazed at the progress we have made together. My plan is to use him for lower levels of eventing but probably not until 2012 so he can finish growing. He is extremely light on his feet and is a delight to ride. Little G will be 2 this summer and is probably 15.2-ish at the moment. I plan to start some ground work with her this summer and if she's anything like her big brother she'll be great to work with.
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