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    04-15-2012, 04:53 PM
  #11
Foal
Knapstrupper in there? I also see Percheron. I would try and redevelope if I was the registery. Breed a Knapstraupper stallion to a percheron mare. Breed that offspring to the same cross only one that is half knapstrupper and Percheron.. How hard can it be to get what you want? You would start with 3 established foundation stallions and 16 mares of a mix. You could get 51% in 3 generations you would think and i'm sure that's how they produced them.

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    04-15-2012, 08:23 PM
  #12
Foal
Sorry, I've reviewed the SDHR website to be 100% sure and no where on there did I find a copy of the photo done by AA Photography, nor did I find the statement saying to please share any photos. If you would be so kind in linking the exact part of the site for me so I can review that.
     
    04-15-2012, 08:57 PM
  #13
Yearling
This is a very interesting (and lovely) breed. Like others, I am a bit confused about why the cross that produced the breed cannot be replicated. Can anyone explain this? I do recognize that sometimes (even often) a breeder doesn't necessarily get the characteristics they want from a cross, but with careful selection of sire and dam and a little luck, eventually one should be able to reproduce it.

I am also particularly interested because I have a gelding that I think could easily pass as a Sugarbush draft. His size, colour, conformation, personality and way of moving are exactly like those described and illustrated on the SDHR website. I purchased him over 17 years ago when he was 3 and was told at the time he was an unregistered PMU baby (Clyde X Appy). I have never, ever seen or worked with another horse like him, until reviewing the website today. Is there any chance he actually is a Sugarbush Draft? How would I know?

If my guy is in any way (by design or by coincidence) representative of the Sugarbush Draft breed, I would agree they are amazing horses and that the breed must be protected and continued.
     
    04-15-2012, 11:03 PM
  #14
Weanling
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Originally Posted by Texasdotteddrafts    
This thread on this forum was brought to my attention by one someone who deeply cares for our Sugarbush Drafts. First I'd like to address the photo in use on this thread. That photo, by AA Photography, is property of my husband and myself. So I'd like to let the user know it was used without consent. Secondly, on the subject that the Sugarbush Drafts are not a recognized breed, and that they are a "cross" of an Appaloosa and a Draft, is incorrect. The crossing of an Appaloosa to a Draft horse produces foals that are Stonewall Sport Horses, which are only 50% draft. A Sugarbush Draft, is more than 51% draft. I would ask that anyone who has any questions about the breed, please direct them to our Registrar at info@sugarbushdrafthorse.com, or you can visit our website to learn more on the history of the breed and how it came to be. As for the question of, why, if Sugarbush Harley's Classic O is our "last" stallion, why don't we just "go out there and make another one?" I can assure you, all of us with the SDHR are taking slow and careful steps to keep this breed alive. Saving a rare breed (and yes, it is a recognized breed) is not a task you perform over night. Having only one unrelated breeding pair sets you back a bit. If you'd like more information on our Foundation breeding program, you can go to that section on our website and read up on it. Those of us involved with this breed are very serious and passionate about our horses. Please understand, just because you've never heard of it, or don't understand it, doesn't make it non-existant. This breed has over 50 years of history and breeding standing behind it. Just because they were not bred in mass numbers, does not make it any less of a "real" breed. We understand that there are people out there who enjoy stomping on others hopes and dreams, and that's ok, that's something they have to deal with on their own. We at the SDHR take deep pride and passion in our horses, and our efforts to save this unique breed and we won't let a handful of stone throwers shatter our dreams. If anyone would like to contact me personally on this matter and further express your opinions, please feel free to do so. My name is Stephanie, I sit on the Board Of Directors with the SDHR (Sugarbush Draft Horse Registry), I am also head of Public Relations and Promotions. pr@sugarbushdrafthorse.com .
I spoke to Stephanie Adame in regards to this wonderful breed. My intentions with the photo was to just show the forum what a gorgeous BREED this truely is. I am sorry of this affended anyone I cannot remember what website this came off of. I do not claim this as my horse ( though I wish it was ) It was just simply to show the breed, I am sorry if this affended anyone.
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    04-15-2012, 11:22 PM
  #15
Weanling
If anyone was to be able to have this breed I would hope they would breed only to improve and save the dying breed. I wish I could do it someday but right now I cannot. I wish the SDHR the best of luck in pramoting this wonderful breed.
     
    04-16-2012, 01:47 PM
  #16
Foal
In response to why don't we just cross breed? Well, there really isn't a need to start from "scratch". We have a handful of SDHR horses still producing. 2 SDHR foals are expected this year. We also have a few Stonewall foals for 2012 (2 on the ground already). They will be the future of the genepool for the SDHR. We are currently approving and accepting Foundation horses into the registry. Foundation Registration
More info at link above. Our goal is to widen the genetic diversity. Not rely on the remaining bloodlines of the horses left. The remaining horses are all related, but one lone mare. Folks are also welcome to join us on Facebook at https://www.facebook.com/?ref=tn_tnm...bushDraftHorse
We don't mind answering any questions. By sharing our breed, it helps us help them by getting them out into the public eye. To the person who shared the photo, I appologize if I came off harshly, I'm sorry. You say we've spoken? Do I know you via FB? If anyone feels they may have a horse who qualifies for Foundation registry with the SDHR, you are welcome to submit conformation type photos (side/side/front/back) with no tack (other than halter) or rider to, info@sugarbushdrafthorse.com. Again, we are always open to inquiries about the breed, and questions on them. If anyone would like to learn more about them, you can visit SDHR Home. To make it clear, these are not a "draft cross", that would be a Stonewall Sport Horse,the SSH are 50% draft, and a cross of Appaloosa to draft. The Sugarbush Draft is a true draft, you don't get 93% draft blood by just a 1 time cross. They are the result of many decades of selective breeding, hard work and the dreams of a dedicated man who put his life into these horses. Those of us with the SDHR mean to make sure that dream he had stays alive.
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    04-16-2012, 01:50 PM
  #17
Foal
Koolio, Just a note on your gelding. A cross of a Draft, in your case, Clydesdale, to an Appaloosa, results in a Stonewall Sport Horse. They are the lighter cousin to the SDHR horses.
     
    04-16-2012, 01:58 PM
  #18
Weanling
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Texasdotteddrafts    
In response to why don't we just cross breed? Well, there really isn't a need to start from "scratch". We have a handful of SDHR horses still producing. 2 SDHR foals are expected this year. We also have a few Stonewall foals for 2012 (2 on the ground already). They will be the future of the genepool for the SDHR. We are currently approving and accepting Foundation horses into the registry. Foundation Registration
More info at link above. Our goal is to widen the genetic diversity. Not rely on the remaining bloodlines of the horses left. The remaining horses are all related, but one lone mare. Folks are also welcome to join us on Facebook at https://www.facebook.com/?ref=tn_tnm...bushDraftHorse
We don't mind answering any questions. By sharing our breed, it helps us help them by getting them out into the public eye. To the person who shared the photo, I appologize if I came off harshly, I'm sorry. You say we've spoken? Do I know you via FB? If anyone feels they may have a horse who qualifies for Foundation registry with the SDHR, you are welcome to submit conformation type photos (side/side/front/back) with no tack (other than halter) or rider to, info@sugarbushdrafthorse.com. Again, we are always open to inquiries about the breed, and questions on them. If anyone would like to learn more about them, you can visit SDHR Home. To make it clear, these are not a "draft cross", that would be a Stonewall Sport Horse,the SSH are 50% draft, and a cross of Appaloosa to draft. The Sugarbush Draft is a true draft, you don't get 93% draft blood by just a 1 time cross. They are the result of many decades of selective breeding, hard work and the dreams of a dedicated man who put his life into these horses. Those of us with the SDHR mean to make sure that dream he had stays alive.
okay I am beginning to think this is my old chat friend AQH if this is you YES!!!! Lol. Its me TRISH
     

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