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    08-09-2012, 04:54 PM
Originally Posted by ShannonLoftus    
I am not interested in breeding her for money. I was interested in her ability for my son. I have no plans for her other than for a pasture buddy for my mare. I have received conflicting information about her from other sources and was just trying to do my homework and speak with MeaOla today regarding the conflicting information. I am heading there now and I hope to have some information cleared up.
I did go to the rescue's website, and looked at the mare's webpage.

The rescue states she is 20 so that's the figure I'd go with. Also the mare seems to have some trust issues, which unless you are an experienced horseperson could present a bit of a challenge. You don't give your level of experience or the age of your son-these things do make a difference in terms of whether or not you'd be biting off more than you can chew. I get the feeling you aren't all that experienced.

Originally Posted by ShannonLoftus    
I too appreciate those who care for her and all the horses that need rescuing but I think that people are assuming the worst.
Assuming what worst? In your signature line you say you want to start a rescue. Every horse rescue I've ever heard of is against excess breeding, and the adoption contract doesn't allow for the horses to be bred. It just doesn't make sense to those of us who do work for rescues. The reason there are rescues is that people irresponsibly breed horses. Those excess horses can end up going to slaughter or abandoned or worse.

You ask about the mare's breeding and lineage and "how much it is worth". That raises HUGE red flag to me...if you want a spotted draft to breed, then pony up the money and buy a registered mare. To even think about breeding an aged unpapered mare "to benefit your son" will rub people here wrong. In fact, it sounds like you want something for nothing.

Originally Posted by ShannonLoftus    
I think it is too bad that everyone assumes the worst when someone is just trying to make a wise decision that is best for the horse and potential owner.
We are concerned about what is best for the horse. An aged mare who had been abandoned and abused in the past deserves to have a stable home where she won't be bred again. I don't get why you seem to think that is an okay thing to do?

Originally Posted by ShannonLoftus    
Her health issues are not a concern as farrier work for about a year and attention will fix that.
You do know that past laminitis/founder rings means the mare could have a tendency to founder again, right? You do understand the stress a pregnancy puts on a mare, and that even healthy pregnant mares can be prone to founder? Again, I think you need to learn a lot more about horses.

Originally Posted by ShannonLoftus    
Her brands are of interest to me as is her past. I wish everyone would quit reading more into that than there is.
We are only reading what you wrote.
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    08-09-2012, 05:00 PM
Woah, just read your post calohboy. Don't let one bad experience sour you on doing what you do. Just be sure to have an ironclad adoption agreement with a nice "no breeding" and repo clause.
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    08-09-2012, 05:06 PM
This just hurts my heart that someone could do this, especially showing up at the rescue like that. I would be ashamed if I was her, that will most definitley not help anything with her starting a rescue. I do not believe in my honest opinion she should ever be able to adopt a horse. It's really scary that someone can lie so fast and so much to try and make people think otherwise of her intentions. I TOTALLY agree with you dimsum, there are so many red flags.
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    08-09-2012, 05:12 PM
...and here I go taking the time to write out a reasoned reply when I could have just posted

    08-09-2012, 05:14 PM
Green Broke
Even without all the disgusting drama that has happened now, what was so hard about understanding a "no breeding" clause in a contract? It doesn't say "breed as long as you plan to keep the foal" or "breed so your kid can experience having a foal" it says no breeding. It doesn't get much plainer than that.

I am glad this person was pointed out to the rescue before this poor horse changed hands again, and ended up in a situation that obviously would have been very dangerous for her. It is people who hide behind the term "rescue" with greedy or bad intentions that give all the truly devoted, hard-working rescues a bad name.
    08-09-2012, 05:19 PM
Dimsum I'm laughing so hard at that darn cat! SO much drama that didn't need to happen if she just understood and read the agreement. PLUS not fabricate things to make her side sound better.
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    08-09-2012, 05:33 PM
Some might be surprised, at just how many do rescue, purely to get a cheap horse to breed. A non-breeding clause doesn't seem to worry many. I can't even count how many people I have seen on forums such as this, asking about breeding the mare - and sometimes even stallions, they have just rescued.

Doing rescue isn't easy. It really does 'take a village'. A few years ago when we were doing rescue, we had in a lovely older TB mare. Someone visited and actually asked when she was last in season, so that if he got her, she could be bred immediately. Another person, actually knocked on our door years ago, dragging a black Great Dane he had just found at the pound. He wanted to know if I would breed her to my Harlequin stud dog. While I gave him 'the talk', I'm quite sure he probably would have found someone willing to breed.

My daughter has constantly had people with various mares of other breeds and grades, asking to breed to the stallion in my avatar. Of course, all were turned down. Goodness, we don't even breed ourselves any more and when we did, it was extremely sparingly. There are more than enough good horses being bred these days and way too many of dubious quality.

It seems that only in the last 40 years, I have seen so many people, bent on breeding. As an example, in the early '60's, only three of us across the US, were doing Great Dane rescue and we didn't have many in each year. Now there are GD rescues and often several, in every city. Most are full and have to turn down newcomers. Same with horses. So what changed so much? I don't know. I wish I did.

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    08-09-2012, 05:37 PM
Originally Posted by Annanoel    
Dimsum I'm laughing so hard at that darn cat!
Then my work here is done
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    08-09-2012, 05:52 PM
The horse overpopulation issue isn't just because there are large scale breeding operations churning out foals to sell. Also at fault are people who just want to have a foal "for themselves," "so the mare can have the joy of raising a foal" or "so my kid can learn about the miracle of birth." These people generally have good intentions, but things don't always turn out as planned.

Perhaps money becomes an issue... raising a foal is expensive and it's just not in the budget. So, we'll sell the foal to "a good home," but then THAT person decides that they can't keep the horse, and so he's passed around until he ends up unwanted and at a rescue (if he's lucky!). (Don't think it can happen? Read my post about the horse I got for $250 from a rescue that originally cost $50,000: My $50,000 Horse)

Perhaps they really don't have the experience necessary. That cute little foal grows up to be a big, untrained stallion (because OF COURSE we wouldn't want to geld him! He might turn out to be an awesome horse and we might want to stud him out!). Who wants an untrained, unruly stud when there are well trained horses going for a dime a dozen?

A horse should only be bred if that resulting foal is going to be something special... something different than what can be found in countless rescues or breeding operations. The sire and dam's confirmation, health, and temperament should be above average... none of this breeding a crappy mare to a good stud to "fix" the issues found in the mare (or vice versa).

Until we as a horse community start stepping up and treating the overpopulation problem as seriously as responsible dog owners view backyard breeding/puppy mills, nothing's ever going to change.
    08-09-2012, 06:02 PM
Originally Posted by ShannonLoftus    
To annonel.

Her age is of question. As for her value I am curious as to why she was branded if she did not mean something to someone at one point, and how she ended up in a rescue she stolen? If so I would like to find the former owner and perhaps legally transfer her. There is the possibility if she was stolen the former owner may want her back, which can be contended with.

I was thinking that perhaps she could contribute to some of her foals' pedigree if she was registerable. I was told her foal sold for 3K, which seemed weird to me and a lot of money, and then I wonder why no one has adopted her.

I have been told she was breedable. I am here to learn. Nothing else. And my intent is to give her a loving home and perhaps unravel her past for personal interest purposes.
Hi Shannon just read through this thread for the 1st time..I have 2 horses from a was high priced very well trained...the other severely abused/neglected. When a horse comes in to a rescue the only way to age them is educated guess..a horses teeth change very predictably with age...someone who is good at aging..usually a vet gives them an age.

As far as "she was worth something to someone once" probably but I also have a lot of experience with a high end College in our state that offers equestrian degrees....they receive"donations" all the time..some are horses that were once purchased for $100,000 dollars or more..shocking ? Yes, the horses give their owners what they want, some end up grand champions then their body gives out and they are "donated"... perhaps this is a nice way that they are gotten rid of because they are no longer useful...contracts are signed that the horse will be at the college forever...guess what..they are happens all over the place...not just this point is great linage horses end up in rescues just like grade horses do..sad but probably previous owners are not going to care. It stinks but it is reality.
Additionally, just like lg dog breeds..large horse breeds are "older" than their age..a 20 year old draft of any kind is truly a senior and probably should not be bred under the best of circumstances

I do believe you are a person with a good heart not one with bad intentions...welcome to the forum!

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