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    01-24-2013, 12:18 PM
  #31
Trained
WOAH, GH did not put her mare up, although I'm sure she would have got in

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    01-24-2013, 12:20 PM
  #32
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Originally Posted by bkhart77    
She stated (in a post just above this one) that that isn't the case, but I honestly can't figure out why she seems to take such relish in bashing the re-building of the breed if that weren't the case.
Because there doesn't appear to be a breed standard. You've chosen multiple horses that look NOTHING alike and are rebuilding using them. Where is the standards that you are using? If I hadn't have seen this thread and I saw all those horses posted, I never would have thought there was a certain 'breed' attached to them. Never.
     
    01-24-2013, 12:34 PM
  #33
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Originally Posted by MsBHavin    
Because there doesn't appear to be a breed standard. You've chosen multiple horses that look NOTHING alike and are rebuilding using them. Where is the standards that you are using? If I hadn't have seen this thread and I saw all those horses posted, I never would have thought there was a certain 'breed' attached to them. Never.
We've chosen multiple horses with some similarity which fall within the standard written to no less than 70%. If you look on the website, you'll find the breed standard written.

Heather wrote to that in a post earlier on this thread. And honestly, looking at the pictures of the horses posted, you couldn't tell WHAT breeds you were looking at in half of them (from short yearlings to aged mares to a gelding under saddle). If you're looking at color, that won't help. If you're looking to type -- there are only three or four horses left that fit the type that we're trying to rebuild.

Again, visit the website and/or the FB page -- we're always happy to inform.
     
    01-24-2013, 12:35 PM
  #34
Foal
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Originally Posted by Golden Horse    
WOAH, GH did not put her mare up, although I'm sure she would have got in


Cute mare
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    01-24-2013, 12:43 PM
  #35
Yearling
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Originally Posted by bkhart77    
We've chosen multiple horses with some similarity which fall within the standard written to no less than 70%. If you look on the website, you'll find the breed standard written.

Could you just explain to me, in laymans terms, what the breed standard is. I looked it over and still don't get the collection of horses posted in this thread.
     
    01-24-2013, 12:56 PM
  #36
Foal
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Originally Posted by MsBHavin    
Could you just explain to me, in laymans terms, what the breed standard is. I looked it over and still don't get the collection of horses posted in this thread.
Ok. I'm not sure how to clarify it much more, as the written one on the page is pretty straightforward, but I'll try.

Height is pretty self-explanatory, as is color.
The neck and head have to be within the parameters written (ratios)
The body is to be broad (think small draft). The back should be roughly 1/3 of the body length.
Large eyes
Large/fine ears (relative to head size -- NOT mule ears but at least not Arab-y in appearance)
Shoulder and hip angles and size are written pretty much verbatim in the standard.
Legs -- as with (I would hope) any breed, post legs, cow hocks, pigeon toes, etc......are faults.
Feet must be appropriate to horse size (none of the little "QH" size 0 feet)

The horses considered for foundation will NOT (repeat NOT) fit this standard to 100%. They will be within 70% of ideal and this is strictly due to the fact that there are very few draft breeds that have the absolute correct conformation. Most drafts are bred for hitch, these are bred to be all-around horses with an emphasis on ridability.

SDHR Breed Standard

There's the link to the breed standard if anyone should want to take a look.

The final type will not be as diverse in body style, nor will we end up being like the AQHA where, as was stated before, you have a huge division of types -- from your 14h cutter to your 17h hunter and everything in between.
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    01-24-2013, 01:03 PM
  #37
Foal
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Originally Posted by bkhart77    
You've stated several false things in your posts -- one would wonder what the issue is that you have with the registry. Again, you stated that you've talked to all of the registry officials (untrue), you mis-stated registration requirements. No one ever said that the Appaloosa could produce the desired phenotype by itself (though it can certainly add to what we're looking for which was why it was used back in the 50's at the origin of the breed). What was stated is that some Appaloosas carry enough draft bloodline that their get will, when crossed on a full draft, produce >50% draft by blood.

Again, when the judges have issues with what we're doing we'll rethink the approach -- but for now, the feed back we're getting from people who have these horses show under them is encouraging and far more useful than critiques from people choosing poor photos to pick at.
I have spoken to all the officials, unless there are new ones I don't know of. I already expressed, multiple times and clearly, the issue I have with this registry.
     
    01-24-2013, 01:06 PM
  #38
Foal
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Originally Posted by prettydecoy    
I have spoken to all the officials, unless there are new ones I don't know of???
Well, as it was only Heather in 2008, then myself, Stephanie and the other Heather since 2009 and beyond, I don't know who you're referring to as "all". Prior to 2008, it was only Everett.

Who have you spoken with?
     
    01-24-2013, 01:11 PM
  #39
Foal
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Originally Posted by bkhart77    
She stated (in a post just above this one) that that isn't the case, but I honestly can't figure out why she seems to take such relish in bashing the re-building of the breed if that weren't the case.
And I re-iterate. Because, in my opinion, you are reducing the quality of a breed that I am passionate about, and have been for many, many years. I do not relish bashing, I am passionate about improving and preserving the Sugarbush.

People who cannot take criticism in regards to conformation should not be breeding horses. I can point out the conformational flaws of every horse I ever owned, and I'm not offended when others do so. Barn blindness makes for poor breeding (and registration) decisions.

The photos speak for themselves of the quality of horses.
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    01-24-2013, 01:13 PM
  #40
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Originally Posted by bkhart77    
Well, as it was only Heather in 2008, then myself, Stephanie and the other Heather since 2009 and beyond, I don't know who you're referring to as "all". Prior to 2008, it was only Everett.

Who have you spoken with?
Everett Smith, Heather Harmon, Heather Crispin, Stephanie Adame.
     

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