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post #71 of 82 Old 01-24-2013, 02:16 PM
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Who is claiming lots of people are involved? Again, assumptions and twisting. You have 46 registered horses. Regardless of who is owned by who, you do have a membership because people paid to register their horse. You yourself say that they have no say because you do not consider them members. Seems like a dictatorship to me, or a registry started by a couple people who now have the power to make all decisions regarding the future of this breed. This is not AQHA, APHA, ApHA, etc. This is SDHR. Regardless, I have said my piece and back out of this conversation now. Good day and best of luck in your endeavors.

No, we don't have a membership. We have a registry -- there is a difference. Yes, this is SDHR and as of today, SDHR has no membership though we are working towards it.

That's usually how a registry starts -- people start it, and the people who start it make decisions. That's not a dictatorship, that's ownership of a business. That's how any business is run, be it horse registry or anything else. If you'd like to change the direction of the registry, you have several choices: You can purchase it outright and make your own decision on how it's run (business). You have the choice, if it's yours, to hold it private (no BOD), have it be private WITH a board, or have it go public. We happen to be a private entity. You can run for an elected position (we'll probably start having elections next year).

I never said that the owners had no say, I said (and I'll say again) we have no membership at this time. I don't know why that's an issue -- it just hasn't happened yet.
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post #72 of 82 Old 01-24-2013, 02:29 PM
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Here is another example of a young Sugarbush Draft, a G1 (first generation) with much less draft breeding. This filly was bred to bring color and refinement back into the breed. Notice how much lighter in bone she is than her sibling, while maintaining the same (or improving upon them) angles of joints and structure. You can see that they are related, even though one is "draftier" than the other.



And these fillies also show a problem we are experiencing in the breed. The best horses are still just babies. They are at home, growing up, and learning to be horses.

We appreciate the vehemence that our fans have, and while we do not yet have members, we do have regular discourse with most of our owners. The owners know of our plans, our progress, and are given regular updates about where things are going. Memberships are one example of this. We have been discussing memberships, and not all owners liked the idea. Some just want to show/breed/own a horse, and not have to worry about paying dues to have voting rights. They say they like how it is now. The registry is concerned about the future, and how we will be able to maintain the causal dialogue, with out records of who actually owns a horse (since transfers aren't always completed in a timely manner by new owners).

This thread actually caused me to ask the owners if they felt we worked in a dictatorial manner. Overwhelmingly they said no. With that said, it did also bring a few owners to this thread to rebut the harsh comments made, and to refute the mistakes in understanding about our breed.

Like any horse lover, we are a passionate bunch. We are not perfect, but we are trying to move forward in the best way we can. No one wants to see his or her horse bashed (well, except me, I am weird like that) or be told that their beloved pet is "ugly". Horses are horses. Very few horses are "ugly" (they are horses after all) but many have flaws. In my 14 years working with horses, I have yet to see a perfect horse. Every horse has flaws, and some have more flaws than others, but when you only have 12 horses, all with visible flaws, left in the breed...all related to each other... what do you do?

Should we have let them die out? Should we have searched for horses that mimiced the horses we HAD, rather than the SDHR ideal? The horses we had are obviously not ideal (as this thread has shown) but had many good traits.

Instead, we focused on the few quality horses we had, and the horses we have had over the years, and worked to bring that back into the breed by selecting Foundation horses to improve those flaws.

The thoughts here have been distorted by the comments of PrettyDecoy, who represented the horses shown as Foundation horses, rather than the scattered remnant of the breed we are trying to correct.
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post #73 of 82 Old 01-24-2013, 02:35 PM
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Let's do as suggested earlier, why don't we. Let's start a thread with the ideal posted, and explain how we're accepting horses based on the criteria. It's probably a much more productive endeavor than trying to differentiate between registries, memberships, etc.....
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Sure KH.... we can do that. Get crackin'. =)

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bkhart77, you stated earlier that the sugarbush is to be a 'jack of all trades' type, that is what i'm looking for, not a really heavy heavy draft, but something I can do light plowing with, and maybe light pulling. I really like them. I want to use them around my farm, mostly for plowing up gardens and maybe pulling hay wagons, they'll be ridden regularly too. This breed truly fascinates me, and i'm undoubtedly hooked.
As for the appaloosa draft history, my mom's appaloosa mare was huge, built like a tank and pulled plow for many years, she had incredible bone and mass and stood a 15.3hh. But she was a registered appaloosa. I have her last remaining colt, and he pulled plow and people ask me if he's got draft in him. I've told them no he's an appaloosa, and once again he's got incredible bone, and mass, and only stands 15hh with that oh so lovely appytude LOL.
By the way this thread was not intended to become an argument, I was just honestly fascinated with the breed and wondered if anyone owned(s) any and if they had worked with them, what they were like. Holy crap....
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bkhart77, you stated earlier that the sugarbush is to be a 'jack of all trades' type, that is what i'm looking for, not a really heavy heavy draft, but something I can do light plowing with, and maybe light pulling. I really like them. I want to use them around my farm, mostly for plowing up gardens and maybe pulling hay wagons, they'll be ridden regularly too. This breed truly fascinates me, and i'm undoubtedly hooked.
As for the appaloosa draft history, my mom's appaloosa mare was huge, built like a tank and pulled plow for many years, she had incredible bone and mass and stood a 15.3hh. But she was a registered appaloosa. I have her last remaining colt, and he pulled plow and people ask me if he's got draft in him. I've told them no he's an appaloosa, and once again he's got incredible bone, and mass, and only stands 15hh with that oh so lovely appytude LOL.
By the way this thread was not intended to become an argument, I was just honestly fascinated with the breed and wondered if anyone owned(s) any and if they had worked with them, what they were like. Holy crap....

They can do pretty much anything, though riding comfortably is a big plus (some drafts are too upright to give you a pleasant seat). I think, in a few years, you'll be able to find exactly what you're looking for. There are some out there rightnowthissecond, but very few for sale.

Please come 'play' on the FB page. There are LOTS of fun people on there, and everyone is willing to talk your ear off about the breed. Too, you can find classified ads by some of the breeders, as well as several SSH breeders or owners.

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.... my mom's appaloosa mare was huge, built like a tank and pulled plow for many years, she had incredible bone and mass and stood a 15.3hh. But she was a registered appaloosa. I have her last remaining colt, and he pulled plow and people ask me if he's got draft in him. I've told them no he's an appaloosa, and once again he's got incredible bone, and mass, and only stands 15hh with that oh so lovely appytude LOL. ....
Ya never know, she may have had a good bit of draft in there! Do you know her pedigree? I know she's long gone now, but we can still do the research for curiosity's sake. Maybe you've been raised to like spotty drafts and never realized it, =-)

We had a big ol mare named Classy Slate. She went right back to Bright Eyes Brother, Wapiti, Plaudit, and Peter McQue, so that means she went back to Old Fred quite a few times, top and bottom. She was considered foundation App, but she was huge; 16.3 hh barefoot after a trim. And she was a buckskin. I like to think the cream came from Old Fred, LOL! She was wide, too and probably weight around 1500 lbs.

When horses and people are a perfect match they must belong to each other. We had a friend who was 6'6" and 250 lbs and he felt comfortable riding her, more so than any other horse. So, my mom gifted Classy to this fella. He would use her for hunting off of. One day she stepped into a hole that happened to be a tall thin rotted tree stump, or maybe a tap root. Anyway, it punctured her chest, and went all the way through her and out above her shoulder below her withers. Johnny was riding her when it happened. He was terrified that that was the end of her. But nope. It missed all vital organs, and with lots of good care the mare survived just fine. Vet said she survived because she was such a big, wide bodied mare that the stick missed everything. She even went on to have a few more foals. But Johnny never hunted off her again. Didn't want to take the chance of stepping in another hole.

Anyway, come join us! You'll have a great time and can be in on the fun of helping regrow the breed.
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[QUOTE=Chiere;1860457]Ya never know, she may have had a good bit of draft in there! Do you know her pedigree? I know she's long gone now, but we can still do the research for curiosity's sake. Maybe you've been raised to like spotty drafts and never realized it, =-)

That's a crazy story, glad she made it though! No i'll have to ask my mom about her pedigree. I'll see what I can find. Magic had 4 foals, 2 to an appaloosa stud up the road from us, and 1 to a champion qh (can't remember his name), and 1 to a local paint stud (had some really nice lines). All were delivered beautifully, and colorful!! And everyone had the nice bone structure of her, but some more height, and and a nicer attitude LOL.

P.s. I do have SDH on FB, I follow everyone!!
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Yeah, I think it is sad too. To my knowledge, it is just a bunch of women who got together and started the registry. It is run more like a dictatorship than a breed club. I don't think they vote or anything to change the Officers... Sigh.
why would that happen they are such a pretty breed
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why would that happen they are such a pretty breed
Niky, the comment you are replying to is one person's opinion. Check out the rest of the thread, I believe you'll feel a little better; a few board members have replied with more information, =-)
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