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        09-15-2013, 11:49 AM
    Originally Posted by DraftyAiresMum    
    Ah. Ok. Thought maybe you meant like an American warmblood, which is a type, not a breed (they register a lot of draft crosses as "American warmbloods").

    If you can afford a true warmblood, go for it. They are bred for jumping and dressage...and usually come with a price tag to match (haven't seen many in my area under $7,000...I live in cowboy country and a spectacular roping horse that heads, heels, and is a money-earner consistently goes for less than $6,000). If you're on a budget, a good draft cross is a "poor man's warmblood," if you look at conformation before you say "Oooo! Pretty horsy!! Me want!" *grabby hands*
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    Well I have my eyes open for a draftxTB cross, or a draftxstock cross. I don't see many around here though. Our area is known for stock horses, not nice jumpers.
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        09-15-2013, 01:13 PM
    Stock horses can be decent jumpers, really. If you can find one that has more TB blood and isn't built downhill, they can do quite nicely.
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        09-15-2013, 01:22 PM
    Originally Posted by DraftyAiresMum    
    Stock horses can be decent jumpers, really. If you can find one that has more TB blood and isn't built downhill, they can do quite nicely.
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    Currently we have 2 stock horses, and they are the classic downhill, front heavy stock horse. They both were bred for western pleasure and huntseat. I am starting the 4 year old QHxpaint (apparently he has TB in him too) for dressage and jumping in the next month or two. Our other is a 7 year old QH (also TB lines) and he feels like an awkward taco when I ride him. Long, forehand heavy strides aren't my go-to thing. I will hopefully be training him as a dressage / hunter jumper though.
        09-15-2013, 01:54 PM
    Have you also thought about an appendix? They are a TB x QH and are really versatile. For english I would look for one that has more TB.
        09-15-2013, 03:09 PM
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    The modern day warmblood is a much lighter horse than the ones that first came to the UK because they've mixed TB blood in with them to get more speed and scope
    There have been some great shire x TB's in UK showjumping history, they aren't always the prettiest horses but if the cross works OK they can be amazing.
    If you go for a lighter draft type like the Irish Draft and cross with a TB you can also get a brilliant showjumper
    This is Ryans Son performing in the 1984 Olympics he won some top classes in his day and was not quite 16 hands
        09-15-2013, 03:17 PM
    I'm kinda stuck on stupid with this poor colt pictured. It seriously looks like someone had the random thought one day "I wonder if we'd get something pretty if we crossed these two horses." Eleven months later..."Well, that didn't work like we thought it would."
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        09-16-2013, 08:53 AM
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    I have the same thinking with that horse - if you want to cross with a heavy draft horse to get a riding horse that's going to have some real competition purpose you have to look at what's going to give more refinement, agility, lightness etc and that's not going to happen if you use a Friesian - lovely as they are as a purebred mixed with a shire you're just going to end up with another heavy horse - and likely one that's disproportionate in its length of leg to body ratio because both breeds have that tendency.
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        09-16-2013, 09:31 AM
    Originally Posted by KylieHuitema    
    Second thread of the night I browse dreamhorse.. Way too much.. And I may have fallen in love with my first draft cross... And I want to go see him and just be able to look at him..

    He is a beautiful friesan x shire yearling. He is already huge and has feathering and ahhhh. I usually don't really like big drafts since I am an arab person, but this one got me.

    So here comes the question, has anyone trained a shire cross or friesan cross to jump/event/dressage and actually have success? Here he is -crossing my fingers the link works-

    Also, would he be a smaller draft when growing, or will he be HUGE?

    I can't speak for the Shires having only known one senior mare, but make no mistake.....Friesians can jump and I know plenty of Friesian crosses that jump. To the point that mine jumped just because she wanted to even though she'd never had any kind of training for jumping. A couple of years ago my older mare concluded that the 44" fence that divided the pastures didn't look all the high and she would jump it (and any barrier that was shorter) at will if she wanted to change locations. After taking down the gate between patures she'd jump the fence even with the openning just 3' to the left. Have since put a electric rope along the top of the posts and she's concluded that the 50" is more than she wants to try.
    You can find Friesian crosses doing eventing and plenty of other competetions. Just check out the Friesian Sporthorse if you want to get a good idea of what they're able to do.
        09-17-2013, 10:24 AM
    As much as I love both breeds (and own a full Shire), I personally, wouldn't take that cross, neither breed is really adding anything different to the cross. Both are large, heavy, high stepping horses. Neither is particularly quick or agile, neither is much built for jumping. I'd take either breed crossed with a Thoroughbred or Arabian in a heart-beat if the horse had quality, but the two together is going to be a large, heavy horse, losing the benefits of a "warmblood." I've seen this cross multiple times, and it always baffles me why people do it.
        09-17-2013, 10:11 PM
    I have a new plan. There is a barn down the road from my house that either rescues horses in mass amounts (with goats, sheep, cows, etc) or slaughters them. (they've been searched by the SPCA for animal cruelty, and never got in trouble) I've heard both stories. I personally believe it is a rescue. A couple years ago they had a belgian or belgian cross there. He was young, either 2 or 3. I believe he is still there since I keep an eye on their herd. If not, they have a large variety of horses there, and hopefully there may be one that suits what I'm looking for. It would be saving a horse and making room for another one to be rescued. I like my idea. Most of these horses only have been haltered. It would be a challenge, but it would be worth it in the end. For these, I would definitely have a PPE done not knowing any of their history.

    Any thoughts?

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