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post #21 of 43 Old 03-06-2014, 01:19 AM Thread Starter
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@Roux I could imagine! Big ole clonkers they got, its amazing how gentle they are :) I've only met a few though.

Shouldn't be looking at horses yet, can't hep it! Just for the fun of it ;)
This boy isn't a cross, and I were to get him, he'd probably just be a nice trail ride, he is a Shire, $2,500, 8 years old, 18 hands high! Probably getting a little bit ahead of myself. Ride-able, and since it seemed like he's used to pulling things, I'm sure the ranch I am getting lessons and helping out at, would love his help around the ranch, since she pays people to haul things here and there, IF I were to get him. He isn't in Texas though, but less than an hour away from some family, some of my 'horse' family- So I could still test him out and be able to bring him back here. Again, half for the fun of it Since I'm not yet ready, but who knows, he might still be available when I am! But, what do you guys think?

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@Roux I could imagine! Big ole clonkers they got, its amazing how gentle they are :) I've only met a few though.

Shouldn't be looking at horses yet, can't hep it! Just for the fun of it ;)
This boy isn't a cross, and I were to get him, he'd probably just be a nice trail ride, he is a Shire, $2,500, 8 years old, 18 hands high! Probably getting a little bit ahead of myself. Ride-able, and since it seemed like he's used to pulling things, I'm sure the ranch I am getting lessons and helping out at, would love his help around the ranch, since she pays people to haul things here and there, IF I were to get him. He isn't in Texas though, but less than an hour away from some family, some of my 'horse' family- So I could still test him out and be able to bring him back here. Again, half for the fun of it Since I'm not yet ready, but who knows, he might still be available when I am! But, what do you guys think?

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Do you have the experience (and $$) to deal with a horse 18hh?? Even the most gentle calm horse is still a horse and is also still unpredictable. That is why (plus athleticism) we are advising against a full draft. And he's not 18hh I see, he's 18.2. May not seem like a big difference but trust me in person that's huge. How tall are you?

Let's put it this way. I am not really a draft person and prefer my little hot horses, regardless of that I am a very experienced handler and work with many horses daily. I would NOT want to deal with a horse that big!! The biggest I deal with regularly is about 17.2 and those are horses I know well and feel comfortable with. PAIN to tack up though, and I've ridden the one and while he doesn't feel so big undersaddle not my favorite. I'm 5'3" but still.

The SMALLEST amount of disrespectful behavior could get you killed, and you don't have the experience to keep that from happening.
So no, wayyy too big. You say you've only known a few drafts so you may like them but you have no idea what you're in for from the sound of it. I would put a cap at 17hh. No bigger. There are plenty of nice drafty Percherons and many more crosses in the 16hh, or less, range.

All that ad really says is he rides and drives (supposedly). His temperament thing says 2/10 (I'd ask why, though don't at all go by those) He is cute. Shrug.

I hate riding drafts, they are (generalization) strong and pushy. Do you have the experience and muscle to actually ride him and keep his head up? What if he spooks? Will you ride him and stop him or be a little insect on his back as he gallops away. He's not absurdly beefy which is good, just way too big.

$2,500??? For what a horse that "hooks up and behaves well with it" and does trail riding but does not neck rein. That's a lot of money for a dime a dozen horse. (well maybe not because of his size.. maybe that's why they upped the price!)

If you do go look at this horse do NOT spend that much on him!!
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What exactly are you looking for? You like the draft look..ok. How high? How tall are you? What is your general budget?

You said you are a beginner but want to aim towards western stuff right?
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Oh go back a page to my last post, I replied to the height thing (I got that wrong though, I'm 5'4!) and my budget. (But that budget was wrong too) This horse is $500 over my budget, I asked my parents and my mom said around $2,000 is probably tops. So that's out, but I do love that stocky look! But I don't mind 16hh, probably much better, since I am a beginner. My mom said she'd settle with the right cross for me, but is also out on a full draft. I'm starting to back out on an event, and just focusing on a riding horse. But yes, I'd prefer western over English, but I've never tried English before. This may not apply with a horse, since its probably much more different, but I do have a quick reaction time when something goes wrong, so I'd probably not freeze- But don't quote me on that That's only applied when handling Great Danes, and Siberian huskies- when a fight would break out, and you happen to be standing in the middle So when put on that spot, I can generally handle things, but if I'm not put on the spot- I do have trouble. I'm not sure whats up with that
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I might just be fine with any horse breed/cross, that has the looks of a draft. I'm not dead-center with the breed, but more of the big, stocky, look.
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Not sure how I missed that. Sorry lol.

Well as I said I'm 5'3". I know everyone has their preferences but I would NOT recommend getting above 17hh, knowing your height I'd advise no more than 16.2 but as said everyone has their preferences. My Arab is 14.2 or so and I look great on horses that height lol. (I hope you didn't grow 9 inches in a year! )

Still think a cross would be perfect, but I know I've said that a million times.

Since you're still growing too I'm assuming your younger.. are you SURE you are mentally ready for a horse, especially one you may need to be firm with? Of course financially too but I'm sure you've thought of that.

With the divorce- are you sure this is the right time to look?

Also, 5,000 is a rather large budget. You're not looking for a show horse you're looking for a trail mount. I would say you can find a nice all around cross for much cheaper. You just want a nice solid beginner horse. Don't need anything fancy. Especially if you can short cut on the training (do NOT shortcut on the temperament if you're a beginner!!) with some help. You should be able to find the perfect horse for far less.

What about a Mustang? Some of them are the perfect little draft cross type. They may not (generally) have the size, but they have the look! They tend to have a good head on their shoulders too.
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Perfect timing, just saw what you wrote.

https://www.blm.gov/adoptahorse/onlinegallery.php
(Keep in mind these are wild horses, but just to show the type. I would suggest getting one with some handling lol)

Or a cob type.
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Draft crosses would certainly be the best bet... I've noticed the foals of Draft Crosses tend to favor their dam's.

Fiona is out of a APHA mare and RID Hang on Johnny, she doesn't resemble her Sire at all... But looks identical to her Mum.

Of course... She can haul "some" butt ;)

She didn't particularly "haul butt" on this one, she'd never done the Keyhole before and was "What the heck?!!" with the flower on the ground *chuckle*

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That being said, she can't compete with the big boys, but we the most important thing is to have fun.

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Not sure how I missed that. Sorry lol.

Well as I said I'm 5'3". I know everyone has their preferences but I would NOT recommend getting above 17hh, knowing your height I'd advise no more than 16.2 but as said everyone has their preferences. My Arab is 14.2 or so and I look great on horses that height lol. (I hope you didn't grow 9 inches in a year! )

Still think a cross would be perfect, but I know I've said that a million times.

Since you're still growing too I'm assuming your younger.. are you SURE you are mentally ready for a horse, especially one you may need to be firm with? Of course financially too but I'm sure you've thought of that.

With the divorce- are you sure this is the right time to look?

Also, 5,000 is a rather large budget. You're not looking for a show horse you're looking for a trail mount. I would say you can find a nice all around cross for much cheaper. You just want a nice solid beginner horse. Don't need anything fancy. Especially if you can short cut on the training (do NOT shortcut on the temperament if you're a beginner!!) with some help. You should be able to find the perfect horse for far less.

What about a Mustang? Some of them are the perfect little draft cross type. They may not (generally) have the size, but they have the look! They tend to have a good head on their shoulders too.
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Perfect timing, just saw what you wrote.

https://www.blm.gov/adoptahorse/onlinegallery.php
(Keep in mind these are wild horses, but just to show the type. I would suggest getting one with some handling lol)

Or a cob type.
haha I was actually looking there from your first post! There's one near my Grandpa, 16 hands, 8 years old. Very cute too! I read he can get a month board and ground work for free, and my Grandpa said he can keep him with a friend, and continue to saddle-train him until he believes he's ready for a beginner like me lol, and then bring him back here. Do you think that could work? And as far as mentally, I believe I am, once I finish lessons and all. I've grown up around horses, and rode fairly tall ones on trail rides (they were older though, and trained to follow the horse in front of him, I don't think that counts as experience)
And the divorce thing, I probably won't be getting a horse until that is over, I am aware of that. But by then, I should have a long while bit of lessons done.

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Draft crosses would certainly be the best bet... I've noticed the foals of Draft Crosses tend to favor their dam's.

Fiona is out of a APHA mare and RID Hang on Johnny, she doesn't resemble her Sire at all... But looks identical to her Mum.

Of course... She can haul "some" butt ;)

She didn't particularly "haul butt" on this one, she'd never done the Keyhole before and was "What the heck?!!" with the flower on the ground *chuckle*

Fi on keyhole BBHSA - YouTube

Fi on Plug Barrel - YouTube

That being said, she can't compete with the big boys, but we the most important thing is to have fun.
Aw! Definitely seems a good draft cross would work out. Loving the look of the Mustang as well though!
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I can tell you, tall horses really aren't all that. My red horse is the tallest I've ever ridden for an extended period of time (rode my 18hh percheron a few times but not really enough to notice), he's 16.2.

I stand 5'5 with long legs and he's very hard for me to get on without a mounting block of some sort. Thankfully he's content to stand while I scramble up his side. If he ever decided to be fidgety about mounting, I'd be in trouble.
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