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post #1 of 144 Old 06-01-2010, 05:41 AM Thread Starter
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"The Abuse of Beauty" - A fatastic article re; Classical Dressage

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This is a great article discussing the increasingly artificial world of dressage, the effects of rushed, forced training and what it really means to go back to the classical roots of dressage. A highly recommended read!
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thank you for that lnk it is very informative!

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Loved it! Thanks for sharing!

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Wonderful article, & scroll down for a great dressage session, Ms. Loch up!
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There is a very large difference and a very fine line between classical training and "old-school" training. It is all very well and good to look back 30-50 years ago and idealize how much better dressage was then and how it was perfect, etc. But let's remember than in the abscence of Rolkur there were other forms of abuse running just as rampant in the horse world.
Dressage has changed, and will continue to change as the breeding of horses improves and the technology involved in our tack and veterinary care improves. A few decades ago, a TB was still a great dressage horse that could medal at the Olympics and now we rarely see one competing past the basic levels.
No matter the day and age, there will always be people abusing horses in the name of performance. No matter the day and age there will always be people stiving to work with the horse in the name of training and true classical dressage.

And no one's jumped on her for not wearing a helmet yet??
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I agree with anebel.


And about the helmet thing...I can't jump someone for not wearing a helmet when I don't always wear one. ;)

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Last I checked, top hat's weren't helmets, either.
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1. There is a very large difference and a very fine line between classical training and "old-school" training.
2. Dressage has changed, and will continue to change as the breeding of horses improves and
3. The technology involved in our tack and
4. Veterinary care improves.
5. And no one's jumped on her for not wearing a helmet yet??
1. "Old School" classical schooling required correct rider position and we have lost that.
2. Breeding has not improved dressage but rather has created leg movers
3. Dressage ignores the fact that the tack they use inflicts tetanic contractions upon their horses.
4. Veterinarian care still refuses to acknowledge any existance of rider/equipment/schooling method induced tetanic contractions
5. The majority of photographs of Ms. Loch show her riding dressage with a helmet !!!!!!!!
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1. "Old School" classical schooling required correct rider position and we have lost that.
2. Breeding has not improved dressage but rather has created leg movers
3. Dressage ignores the fact that the tack they use inflicts tetanic contractions upon their horses.
4. Veterinarian care still refuses to acknowledge any existance of rider/equipment/schooling method induced tetanic contractions
5. The majority of photographs of Ms. Loch show her riding dressage with a helmet !!!!!!!!
1. People have NOT lost that. Some have, but so so so so many have not.
2. Nope. It has created horses that are more fit for the sport,that can go higher because they are bred for it, just like how the racing industry has gotten better because or specific breeding.
3.I am absalutly amazed that you could say that kind of thing, we use saddles and bridles... with prossesionals that make sure the hrose is at maximum comfort. We know that a horse that isnt feeling great can't do its job happily and at its best.
4. Nope, it does not. You think your the only person that has realized the problems in rolkur and some other abuses... your not, thousands of other people know about it too and have been studying it.

There are some abuses in EVERY sport, we can't stop that. And yes, the dressage world is facing some problems. But you groupd us all together as abusing, cruel riders who only care to win, and THAT drives me nuts.

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"3.I am absalutly amazed that you could say that kind of thing, we use saddles and bridles... with prossesionals that make sure the hrose is at maximum comfort. We know that a horse that isnt feeling great can't do its job happily and at its best."


Ridergirl23;

You are so wrong here.
There are riders and trainers with the appropriate knowledge who do put out the effort, however, they are in the minority.
The majority of dressage saddles are not designed for the horse but for the rider. I am working with a dressage saddle maker who agrees.
I am an equine physiologist using the methodology of myotherapy. For over twenty years, I have found that bad fitting saddles, mis-use of bridles, and improper seat, have incurred the majority of muscle injuries in the horses.

"4. Nope, it does not. You think your the only person that has realized the problems in rolkur and some other abuses... your not, thousands of other people know about it too and have been studying it."

Once again you are not completely informed. Please get your facts straight. There have been a handful of researchers who have worked independently of each other on their own particular interest.
I have researched all the papers I could regarding muscle injuries to horses and there has been no studies done on muscle injuries caused by rider, equipment, and/or schooling method induced tetanic contractions.
There has never been either here or in Europe, a scientific study regarding the physical impact of rolkur upon the horse.

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