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    02-12-2010, 11:07 PM
  #11
Green Broke
Hi! I'm not defending it. I am a trail rider and I know little about dressage. I couldn't tell you if the horse was correct or not.

I guess I hear all this horrible stuff about rolkur and such and thought I was going to see a really shocking video (or several) and was surprised at how un-shocked I was, that's all.

If what is going on is really not correct, then the judges shouldn't be placing her and her horse highly. And I assume they are, so either she isn't that bad, or the judging is messed up. And it could mean the judging is messed up, heck, there are a few other disciplines where I think the judging is messed up!

I guess I was just expecting the dressage version of the big lick walkers or something!

Me, I am just a simple trail girl. I give a total loose rein at the walk, and give light contact (and try for collection) at the trot and canter. Mostly, I just like to see nature from horseback.
     
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    02-12-2010, 11:37 PM
  #12
Trained
I would love to know how many of you have ridden a very hot Dutch bred horse, much like the ones Anky rides.
I myself have, and the horse nearly killed me more than a few times in the 8-10 weeks I rode it. Hell even Anky broke a leg. These horses are not ones that you can just hop on to and go to town tearing off their faces. They can and will attempt to remove you by any means necessary if they do not like what is being done to them.
Do you really think a horse knows what "training system" is being used on it? As far as they are concerned it is just as difficult to w/t/c around in self carriage with a high neck and nose in front of the vertical as it is for them to go around LDR or Hyperflexed.
As long as the horse understands what the rider wants and the training is consistent then the horse is happy to oblige. Therefore the training is "humane".
And I do agree with M2G about all the threads about this lately. Along with all the FEI BS I am getting really sick and tired of debating about Rolkur.
Anky was in my area for a symposium a few years ago. She asked a rider "how do you turn your horse onto a 10m circle" and the rider started to rattle off a detailed, precise list of aids on how she did a circle. After listening patiently to about 10 aids on the list, Anky stopped her and said "No. You turn the horse in a 10m circle, the horse circles and you tell him good boy".
As much as I really don't like how Anky sits in a saddle (ie. Stiffly), she is an extremely gifted trainer and is at this point ranked #1 in the world. If I had a chance to go train with her and Sjef I would be on a plane tomorrow.
When you have competed internationally, and successfully on so many horses doing Grand Prix dressage, and only then, will you be on a platform to judge someone like Anky.
I bet that you could also do a better job running the US than Obama?
     
    02-13-2010, 12:03 AM
  #13
Green Broke
For me, rolkur and extreme hyperflexion is along the same lines as the peanut rollers or the things some people do to TWH's. It's amazing the things people will do to their horses for a shot at glory.
     
    02-13-2010, 12:08 AM
  #14
Weanling
She could be the nicest trainer of students in the world, but I don't hold any respect for her as a rider or horse trainer.
No, a horse doesn't know what training system is being used on it. No, we can't humanize them, but we can't treat them as if they don't feel, either. They do know what makes sense, what doesn't, and what hurts.
Self carriage is difficult, but it doesn't manipulate a horses bones, overstretch their muscles, threaten suffocation, or make them watch the ground as somebody bosses them around for no reason. Training with fear and pushing the body physically beyond what it can do is not humane, even if the horse eventually "becomes used to it" and obliges. Big Lick Walkers can become used to the abuse they are put through and learn to oblige, too. Horses put up with a great deal more than we give them credit for.
So explain to me the need to abuse a horse with misuse of hyperflexion, in a way that benefits the horse, especially when there are other methods that produce better results in a way that doesn't hurt the horse?


*casts a line baited with cheese*
I'm fishing for sense here, but I'm still trying to figure out the right bait.
     
    02-13-2010, 12:10 AM
  #15
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by dressagexlee    
Horses put up with a great deal more than we give them credit for.
Two thumbs up!!!!

     
    02-13-2010, 12:18 AM
  #16
Trained
There are schools of though in which the use of bits, saddles, spurs etc is thought to be abusive.
As much as Anky's methods are controversial, she still knows a hell of a lot more about training a horse to GP than you or I.
     
    02-13-2010, 12:21 AM
  #17
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by ~*~anebel~*~    
There are schools of though in which the use of bits, saddles, spurs etc is thought to be abusive.
As much as Anky's methods are controversial, she still knows a hell of a lot more about training a horse to GP than you or I.
Just because she's won awards doesn't make what she does right or good.
     
    02-13-2010, 12:30 AM
  #18
Trained
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Originally Posted by Solon    
Just because she's won awards doesn't make what she does right or good.
Have I ever said that Rolkur is the best/only way to train a horse? No. If you knew me, you would know that I am a proponent of classical dressage.

All I am saying is that Anky knows more than you, as "correct" or "incorrect" as her methods are and that people should stop harping about her and Rolkur.

As I say, there are a million people in the US that can run the country better than Obama.
     
    02-13-2010, 12:33 AM
  #19
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by ~*~anebel~*~    
As I say, there are a million people in the US that can run the country better than Obama.
And probably just as many that could get where she was without her training style. But until she retires from the riding world, people will look at her and continue to think that is an okay way to do things.
     
    02-13-2010, 12:42 AM
  #20
Trained
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Originally Posted by Solon    
And probably just as many that could get where she was without her training style. But until she retires from the riding world, people will look at her and continue to think that is an okay way to do things.
And because some Olympic athletes use steroids, DNA, etc.. to increase performance, this means that the general public thinks this is a good way to get places in competitive sport?
     

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