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    02-13-2010, 02:06 AM
Originally Posted by Solon    
That would be no Rolkur/peanutrolling/shoe stacking/hyperflexion/ threads.

Anky isn't liked by a lot of people. It's just a fact of life. Same with Parelli.
Yes but the difference is any time there is a Parelli bashing thread, it gets locked :)
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    02-13-2010, 02:10 AM
Green Broke
You know, that is true and I have always wondered about that. He's as fair game as Anky. To make you feel better, he's way worse than Anky! Maybe those NH people are little more verbal than the dressage folks!
    02-13-2010, 02:15 AM
Originally Posted by Solon    
You know, that is true and I have always wondered about that. He's as fair game as Anky. To make you feel better, he's way worse than Anky! Maybe those NH people are little more verbal than the dressage folks!
Lol. Yes I think that is the issue :P
Although if you go on COTH and start down talking an Olympic dressage rider, you will get flamed. And not like, HF flamed, but COTH flamed. Which is almost as bad as getting /b/ flamed. Almost.
    02-13-2010, 02:22 AM
Green Broke
COTH is a scary place. They take no prisoners. Reminds me of the Saxons actually.

    02-13-2010, 02:26 AM
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Originally Posted by ~*~anebel~*~    
I would love to know how many of you have ridden a very hot Dutch bred horse, much like the ones Anky rides.

I certainly have....many of them. It is silly to say all Dutch horses are...anything. Some are hot, some are not. As with all breeds, they are individuals.

I myself have, and the horse nearly killed me more than a few times in the 8-10 weeks I rode it. Hell even Anky broke a leg.

Broken two legs, here.

These horses are not ones that you can just hop on to and go to town tearing off their faces. They can and will attempt to remove you by any means necessary if they do not like what is being done to them.

You must have ridden poorly handled ones for them all to be acting that way, IMO.

Do you really think a horse knows what "training system" is being used on it?

How can they not be aware of how they are trained. Discomfort and bullying are hard to dispel.

As far as they are concerned it is just as difficult to w/t/c around in self carriage with a high neck and nose in front of the vertical as it is for them to go around LDR or Hyperflexed.

Much more difficult to be correct. Easy to bully the horse into being incorrect.

As long as the horse understands what the rider wants and the training is consistent then the horse is happy to oblige.

I've seen too many "robots" know that if they did not submit, a butt whipping was coming. That didn't mean they were "happy to oblige".

Therefore the training is "humane".


And I do agree with M2G about all the threads about this lately. Along with all the FEI BS I am getting really sick and tired of debating about Rolkur.
Anky was in my area for a symposium a few years ago. She asked a rider "how do you turn your horse onto a 10m circle" and the rider started to rattle off a detailed, precise list of aids on how she did a circle. After listening patiently to about 10 aids on the list, Anky stopped her and said "No. You turn the horse in a 10m circle, the horse circles and you tell him good boy".
As much as I really don't like how Anky sits in a saddle (ie. Stiffly), she is an extremely gifted trainer and is at this point ranked #1 in the world. If I had a chance to go train with her and Sjef I would be on a plane tomorrow.
When you have competed internationally, and successfully on so many horses doing Grand Prix dressage, and only then, will you be on a platform to judge someone like Anky.
I bet that you could also do a better job running the US than Obama?

I have spent my career training slowly and carefully, always with the desire to allow the horse to act as my partner, not servant. So many of AVG's horses show little or no joy in what they do. They seem quite mechanical. Compare with some of the horses of the classical trainers.
    02-13-2010, 02:30 AM
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Off topic - Allison, how tall is that jump in your avatar???
    02-13-2010, 02:54 AM
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I'm not sure.....5'3" 5'6" I think they are six foot standards.
    02-13-2010, 05:02 AM
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Originally Posted by ~*~anebel~*~    
Yes but the difference is any time there is a Parelli bashing thread, it gets locked :)
That is because Parelli does not publicly advocate practices that cause injury and undue strain and discomfort to the horse nearly 100% of the time. So when he is bashed it is a matter of opinion, not concern and disappointment that a dressage idol will do whatever it takes setting aside the welfare of the horses to stay on top.

Oh and "push button" does not mean not spirited or high energy, it means forced into submission to the point where a horse is obviously stiff and uncomfortable but would not dare question the authority of the rider I.e. Most horses you see Anky riding...
    02-13-2010, 11:06 AM
Originally Posted by ~*~anebel~*~    
There are schools of though in which the use of bits, saddles, spurs etc is thought to be abusive.
As much as Anky's methods are controversial, she still knows a hell of a lot more about training a horse to GP than you or I.
Amen! That's exactly it. I just don't understand why this is being argue over. We aren't even on the same playing field.
    02-13-2010, 12:00 PM
Originally Posted by Honeysuga    
Agreed. Just because she is ranked top does not mean she knows anything. She uses cruel methods to create push button horses, that is why she is the top in the world, people like her results regardless how she gets them.

Also just because someone is not the worlds top dressage rider it does not mean they are inferior to Anky in any way. They could be a better trainer, rider, and more knowledgadle w/o making it to the top.Some people and some of the best horsemen in the world do not like to subject their horses to competition or like it themselves. Maybe they cannot afford to compete at top levels, maybe they do not have the money for a million dollar horse... Don't discredit people just because they are not at the top.

This is a good topic to debate over, it's educational. Any topic can be; I'd actually really like to witness a good debate on Parelli or other training methods, because I don't know anything about them. Witnessing people throw facts, myths, and opinions out into the open is great, especially if you live in a community that centers around only one discipline.
I come to this forum to learn and gather different view points, and share my own opinions, too. This particular topic is one that is always changing and updating, new video footage and articles released, and we also have new members coming to the forum everyday that can also read these debates and form their own knowledge base on the subject. Especially at this time, with the FEI having issued a ban. I can't wait to see what unfolds out of this (and really, get used to it. This topic is going to keep surfacing, especially over the next year with the big change).

If you don't want to be a part of the topic or be in the debate, then don't be. You have the choice not to. We aren't fighting or snarking at eachother (if you want to see that, visit the FiSH forum. Now that's a snarky place...), so there isn't any reason for this not to be discussed.

This was a good find, Allie! All of us have provided good insight on it so far. Let's hear more!

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