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  • Benefits of rollkur
  • What is the purpose of rollkur

 
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    06-29-2009, 09:03 PM
  #11
Weanling
If you would like more information on rollkur and why it is bad, go to
www.sustainabledressage.com/rollkur
It should give you a much better idea of what it is.
     
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    06-29-2009, 09:09 PM
  #12
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by CessBee    
Good description Spyder. Not only is it in dressage people are using it in jumping and western too if you'll believe it
If you didnt know what it looks like, here are some pictures of a horses being worked in Rollkur, or hyperflexion




Huh. I saw a picture of someone's black horse through the scrolling pictures doing something similar today.

That doesn't look very pleasant for the horse.
     
    06-29-2009, 09:40 PM
  #13
Foal
That clears somethings up for me. I have only heard of Anky of this site and from the saddles. Like the OP, im wondering what is the purpose? Does it benefit the horse in any way? To me, that looks uncomfortable and none of the horses seem to be relaxed...
     
    06-29-2009, 11:41 PM
  #14
Weanling
There are arguments on both sides of the fence as far as benefits v. Damage.
I personally think it's a shortcut, rather than taking the time to train them properly that can cause them some damage.
     
    06-30-2009, 10:39 PM
  #15
Weanling
This is a very one sided debate =\

There is always two dies to the story and Ithink it must be said that rollkur btv or hyperflexion is used mby many people, I agree with it, when used in a way that is correct, ie on and off rollkur, it may be benifital, I mayself, despiste agreeign with this method would not go home and attempt it asI have no idea of how to go about it in a correct manor so I myself wont try it, and you must say, anky and other people who use these methods correctly are training quite high up and know what there doing.

Many people also use deep and round, which is another techneque alltogetther.

Don't get me started, im sick of people only seeing half of the story
     
    07-02-2009, 01:48 AM
  #16
Weanling
It is definitely NOT at all beneficial if used for prolonged periods at a time ie longer than 5 minutes straight. Which is how MOST people who use this method use it.
     
    07-02-2009, 11:14 AM
  #17
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by charliBum    
this is a very one sided debate =\

There is always two dies to the story and Ithink it must be said that rollkur btv or hyperflexion is used mby many people, I agree with it, when used in a way that is correct, ie on and off rollkur, it may be benifital, I mayself, despiste agreeign with this method would not go home and attempt it asI have no idea of how to go about it in a correct manor so I myself wont try it, and you must say, anky and other people who use these methods correctly are training quite high up and know what there doing.

Many people also use deep and round, which is another techneque alltogetther.

Don't get me started, im sick of people only seeing half of the story
Just because people do it, doesn't mean it's good for the horse.
     
    07-02-2009, 12:03 PM
  #18
Green Broke
Here's a good web site on Rollkur, with detailed drawings and descriptions.
::: Sustainable Dressage - Rollkur - How And Why Not? - Preface :::

IMO, it's a short cut that can be detrimental the horse. At the very least it can easily create a false-frame and a hard mouthed horse.

Anky is a poor example of a Dressage rider, I don't care what she's won. She bounces around in the saddle like a spider monkey. My Dressage trainer would have kicked me out of her program if I had ridden like that!
     
    07-02-2009, 12:11 PM
  #19
Green Broke
All I have to say about Rollkur is that I think it's a really BAD shortcut. I mean, that's what it is used for but it really teaches all the wrong things. I lost all respect for Anky when I heard that she used this method and especially after seeing her ride. She is also a very sore loser (as she almost never loses) and always thinks there is something wrong when someone places her second. That really makes me angry. Not to mention her sorry attempt at reining...
     
    07-02-2009, 11:06 PM
  #20
Foal
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Originally Posted by RedRoan    
Hm... I don't know about that.... Rollkur in just of itself is just plain sad. How its used is pretty much all the same.... shoving the nose into the chest.
I agree, and beleive it or not Rolkur is becomming VERY common in the Western world, especially Western Pleasure. Many believe in holding a horse in that unnatural way - once released the horse will continue to keep its nose tucked in.
It's rediculous, but as someone else said its been happening since the beginning of Dressage - Anky is not the ONLY person out there who practices it, but because she has chosen to do it in the open (from what i've seen, its only been temporarily though), and on various horses so this shows it's not just one horses ivasion. I, nontheless, do think Anky has done very well for herself in the world of Dressage.
     

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