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        05-18-2009, 07:36 PM
      #11
    Trained
    Im a sucker for black horses with white. *drool*
         
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        05-18-2009, 08:12 PM
      #12
    Weanling
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    Originally Posted by Skyhuntress    
    Anky has had some incredible rides on some incredible horses, you can't take that away from her, no matter what the views of her riding are. With the current view of competitive dressage barely anyone can touch her and she IS the top of her sport.
    I don't consider creating a frame through force is ever necessary, not is it incredible in any way. The ones who do it WITHOUT relying on force are the real greats. I don't think the way she treats her horses is at all acceptable. She may be at the top, but you need to look at how she got there. The ones who have gone as far as her with more natural techniques, in my opinion, deserve far more respect.
         
        05-18-2009, 08:14 PM
      #13
    Weanling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Spastic_Dove    
    Im a sucker for black horses with white. *drool*
    I love hanoverians I want my next horse to be 1. My horse is black with a white star. Ironically I said that if I ever got a tb I'd want it to be a grey. My horse is a OTTB.
         
        05-18-2009, 08:34 PM
      #14
    Yearling
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    Originally Posted by Trissacar    
    I know! I love big black horses! Like Keegan!

    Haha, I like this reference. ;)
         
        05-18-2009, 09:45 PM
      #15
    Weanling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Rissa    
    Haha, I like this reference. ;)
    Heehee!
         
        05-18-2009, 10:49 PM
      #16
    Weanling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Equuestriaan    
    I don't consider creating a frame through force is ever necessary, not is it incredible in any way. The ones who do it WITHOUT relying on force are the real greats. I don't think the way she treats her horses is at all acceptable. She may be at the top, but you need to look at how she got there. The ones who have gone as far as her with more natural techniques, in my opinion, deserve far more respect.
    then the problem doesn't necessarily lie with her, but more so how judges are rewarding her. She IS at the top, no question and I stand by my statement that she has had some lovely, lovely rides. I've also been able to audit her clinics, and she's a brilliant clinician who has been nothing but kind and supportive with the riders and horses that she's taught. Im not defending her, simply telling you like I see it. I don't agree with rolkur-for the most part, I find it cruel and unneccessary-but quite honestly, why would she change her ways if it keeps her at the top? That's not a problem with HER - that's a problem with the way we, and the judges, view dressage. That just makes a statement of which way dressage has evolved (or devolved some would argue) as of right now. That still doesn't take away that she is an ambassador for the sport-possitively or negatively, and that she has garnered much interest for the sport, again, positively or negatively. Interest is interest.
         
        05-18-2009, 11:22 PM
      #17
    Trained
    I completely understand what you are saying Skyhuntress and agree. Judges in all disciplines are rewarding less than stellar riding and horsemanship.

    However, to play the devils advocate, you could say that the problem with her is that she is willing to use methods that may be considered cruel in order to win.

    As far as her reining, I'm not sure how I feel about it. I guess my only problem (I'm not a reiner and couldn't tell you if she is riding correctly for the discipline) is that she seemed to get put up against other great reiners and is a mini-celebrity in the sport without really earning her spurs so to speak. I'm not positive though and could be completely wrong about her in regards to reining. As far as I could find, she has only recently started reining...
    Again, correct me if I am wrong however watching this video as well as a few others, I don't really see a pair that should be riding with other top reiners.


         
        05-18-2009, 11:29 PM
      #18
    Trained
    I agree Sky that the Judging needs to be corrected. Anebel would have allot to say about this as well :) Same with Spyder.
         
        05-19-2009, 09:44 AM
      #19
    Weanling
    Personally, I don't care whether she is at the top or not. Her methods go beyond cruel. She has a mind, an understanding of a horse's mechanics. If not, she def doesn't deserve to be in the spotlight, as MIEventer said. If she isn't aware of what the Rollkur does to these horses, then that's the saddest part of all. Just because the judges reward her with high scores doesn't make it right. She has the choice to train that way. The choice to treat horses like that. If she were truly all about the horses, she'd do something different. She's not a horseman, she's a competitor and that's it. Horses are used as machines to send her to fame. It makes me sick. Win win win, even at the horse's expense.
    So, Im on everyone else's side-someone else needs the spotlight. She's like Paris Hilton in the horseworld. Only famous for what it looks like, not for her real understanding of the fundamentals of beautiful dressage. She is what gives dressage a bad name.
         
        05-19-2009, 09:49 AM
      #20
    Trained
    Great post Koomy. I think there are other amazing riders at Anky's level who deserves to be winning and getting the recognition they deserve.

    I do agree that the Judging is politcal, and the reason why she is ontop is due to them - I would love to hear Anebel's and Spyder's thoughts on this.
         

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