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    09-01-2010, 03:43 AM
  #11
Trained
Long deep and round is much more of a stretching exercise than rollkur. Rollkur in it's 'truest form' is achieved by pulling the horse down using the bit, this stretches nothing. Long deep and round in short bursts however, is achieved by encouraging the head and neck to lower and come deeper for a few strides, without force. If you want a stretching exericse that puts the horse behind the vertical, use LDR rather than rollkur.

I don't think Anky has much chance in winning this case, particularly with the emails and threats Sjef has sent out. That being said, they have been given a terrible name and constantly referred to when rollkur is brought up anywhere, and it is not only they who use and abuse it. I have seen Anky ride in the flesh, when she came to Australia a few years ago to give a master class. She CAN ride with forgiving, soft hands and a quiet leg. She has some EXCELLENT training ideas and can really get a horse to work beautifully. Sjef was also an extremely nice person face to face, my coach was sitting next to him during Anky's demonstration, and was picking his brain for information, which he was more than happy to give. They both 'mingled with the commoners' over dinner and discussion, and seemed more or less, very lovely, normal people.
I am under the impression, that because Anky has been known to use rollkur and because she's such a big name in the sport, THAT is why she is so targeted. And I must say, I do feel for her and Sjef, they may be ruined because of this, and personally I do not think the singling out of them to be fair when there are so many other combinations using the practice, and ABUSING it too. No body is out there picking on Edward gal and Totalis are they? I have seen countless photo's of Totalis in training, with his head strapped to his chin, draw reins pulled tight. But because he's such a spectacular horse and currently a very big player in the dressage scene, no body is going after him. Anky is just about on her way out, and a new generation of top riders are coming through. I very much doubt that they would have been targeted to such a degree if Anky was still at the top of her game, and 'top dog'.

I'm certainly not defending the use of rollkur here, anyone that knows me will be very clear on my stance regarding that matter, and I'm not trying to protect Anky either, as yes, they have party brought this upon themselves but reacting inappropriately, but I just needed to voice that the media has such a big impact on people views of other people, and maybe you should see her live before you judge that she is such a terrible person and horsewoman. Same goes for Sjef.
     
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    09-01-2010, 10:36 AM
  #12
Green Broke
^^ Agreed Kayty although I don't feel sorry for Anky either.

I have always wondered , given she is an elite rider and has so much talent - why use such a harsh training method that surely contradicts the immense knowledge she surely has accumulated during her dressage career? I just don't see how she is able to justify it to herself, let alone the rest of the world. It really makes me question whether she is a horse lover, or just a horse rider. Not that I am suggesting everyone needs to be a horse lover in order to ride, however I think most riders have compassion for their mount and are aware of their well being to some extent. Surely it is in the riders best interests as well as the horse? Questions aren't directed at you Kayty, I mean them in a general sense.

If she wanted to compete in a sport where you can have little regard for the safety and well being of her 'vehicle' perhaps she should have got into car racing.
     
    09-01-2010, 10:40 AM
  #13
Trained
She certainly did seem like a 'horse lover' when she was in Aus, may have been a big act, but she seemed to 'mesh' with all the horses that she had contact with, and was very reassuring to them.
I also, do not understand though why she has felt the need to add rollkur to her methods of training, when she so clearly could get a horse working BEAUTIFULLY, freely and softly with kind, forgiving hands and a fantastic seat, as she demonstrated in her masterclass.
     
    09-01-2010, 10:47 AM
  #14
Green Broke
It just seems like such a shame that someone with so much knowledge and training has chosen to take this path. I have no doubt that there are previous coaches of Anky's (who are probably the best Europe has to offer) that are shaking their heads wondering where all of their sage advice went. In one ear and out the other? Don't get me wrong, I think she is a wonderful rider, just that her methods seem to contradict what her knowledge of dressage surely must tell her.
     
    09-01-2010, 11:01 AM
  #15
Weanling
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kayty    
Long deep and round is much more of a stretching exercise than rollkur. Rollkur in it's 'truest form' is achieved by pulling the horse down using the bit, this stretches nothing. Long deep and round in short bursts however, is achieved by encouraging the head and neck to lower and come deeper for a few strides, without force. If you want a stretching exericse that puts the horse behind the vertical, use LDR rather than rollkur.
I agree. There are so many stretches more effective - I hope what I was saying didn't come off wrong! It still stretches to an extent though.
     
    09-01-2010, 11:03 AM
  #16
Trained
In a way yes, but rollkur (true rollkur, with chin on chest using the reins to keep that position) creates a huge amount of tension in the lower neck and poll, which are the main places that you want to keep supple! By forcing a horse down to that position, it is having to brace and tense to keep itself upright, and because it is a forced helplessness position, it will brace even more out of nervousness.
     
    09-01-2010, 11:05 AM
  #17
Trained
Forgot to add, that by putting the horse's chin on it's chest, you are disengaging the hind quarters, they physically cannot swing under the horse's centre of gravity, and therefore you are blocking the back. You can get snazzy, high stepping, elevated movement in the front legs doing this, back the back of the horse does not move. You want the hind legs to swing, allowing the back to swing also.
     
    09-01-2010, 11:16 AM
  #18
Weanling
Oh yes, to that extreme, it does no good. And I'm not even talking about actually riding like that. I suppose I'm referring more to the position of it, anyway when I think about it. I've had a bad morning, lol, I'm not explaining very well.

But I agree 100%, you aren't going to get your horse's body working effective and properly with their head and neck basically wadded up in a ball.
     
    09-01-2010, 12:56 PM
  #19
Showing
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kayty    
I just needed to voice that the media has such a big impact on people views of other people, and maybe you should see her live before you judge that she is such a terrible person and horsewoman. Same goes for Sjef.
I think it's not so much about Anky as a rider or horsewoman, but about such an unprofessional attitude in this particular situation.

BTW, I have no doubts she's a great rider. I just can't imagine how the "average" (or even "decent") rider can go that high even with using rollkur and whatever else.
     
    09-01-2010, 02:08 PM
  #20
Weanling
PLEASE, Anky is not a great rider, that is why she must use forced submission in order to have a horse work for her.
     

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