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    09-01-2010, 01:14 PM
  #21
Showing
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Originally Posted by spirithorse8    
PLEASE, Anky is not a great rider, that is why she must use forced submission in order to have a horse work for her.
Spirit, what do you mean by "great rider" then? You can't just use rollkur to achieve what she achieved. If you go abusive constantly the horse's patience will end at some point, and I doubt horse will be able to perform show after show successfully. It'll just break somewhere. I must say I looked up her videos and her horse (I only watched Salinaro though) doesn't look upset.

I'm not trying to defend Anky, rollkur, and such, but I agree with Kayty, often you need to hear both sides to know the real story. I still think the situation was handled highly unprofessional on their side though.
     
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    09-01-2010, 01:15 PM
  #22
Green Broke
I disagree Spirithorse8. I think Anky IS a great rider which makes it even MORE reprehensible that she uses such techniques.
     
    09-01-2010, 01:58 PM
  #23
Weanling
I would hope the following will bring some insight to the members regarding rider v. Horseman. Remember the old adage, even a monkey can ride a horse.

These rolkur/ldr forms of schooling methods do in fact, physically block the ability of the horse’s forehand to move correctly. These methods of schooling and riding the horse are 'reactively demanded' by the riders/trainers in such a manner and with such insistent forces, that the horses eventually succumb to the pressures and become submissive to that which is un-natural for them.

What encompasses the differences between demand and allow. The rider when demanding does not let the horse nor him/her self to be responsive, instead they both are reactive. On the other hand, a horseman will allow, through the extreme sympathetic responsive patience of the rider, the horse to be sympathetically responsive to the requests of she or he.

Before we continue let us show the definitions of these critical five words as they apply to the riding and schooling of the horse.
Demand means: “an insistent and peremptory request, made as a right”.
Allow means: “give or provide”.
Reactive means: “to produce a reciprocal effect, bodily resistance to an external stimulus, the tendency to oppose”.
Responsive means: “sympathetically responding readily to some influence.”
Sympathetically means: “acting with the same or similar feeling as another”.
The ‘attitude’ of the rider/trainer is the fundamental criteria one must observe in order to understand the restrictive nature of the particular rider/trainer.
Attitude means: “a settled opinion or way of thinking and the behavior reflecting this”.

The intrinsic requirement of the human horse relationship is the sympathetic response instead of the ever present and domineering demanding reaction. Therefore, in order to produce an equine athlete that is physically and psychologically free in the performance, the rider/trainer of horses is required to create and maintain a inner personal attitude of humility and integrity. This personal attitude will result in the rider/trainer demonstrating to the horse absolute trust and respect through the soft and supple body of the rider. All of the various body aids used by the rider/trainer will have no tension within them and the rein aids will not be depended upon by rider/trainer so that the contact will be able to be measured in ounces rather than pounds of pressure.

The rider/trainer who is a horseman will not take up the reins in such a manner as to apply pounds of pressure to the bit, but will instead use the fingers ounces of pressure to every so softly shake the bit instead of pull on it. Such a horseman will also ‘allow’ the horse not to take the bit in the jaws, teeth or tongue…allowing in this instance means that the horseman will not let the horse have bit control through the horseman’s sympathetic responsive actions rather than the demanding reactions of applied force.

We humans have chosen the position that we know better for our horses then our horses do and this schooling method which originates all the way back to Baucher, is a prime example of our egotistical pride preventing us from learning any new knowledge that arises which contradicts previous equine schooling methodologies. Generally speaking, we have been indoctrinated with schooling principles that are contrary to the functioning anatomy of our horses. Generally speaking, we have been indoctrinated with schooling mannerisms that are demanding reactions to the horse and we have closed off our eyes, ears, and bodies to the sympathetic responsive communication with the horse.

Anyone can ride a horse, few can dance with a horse. Dance requires sympathetic responsive actions by the rider, encouraging the horse to respond with like sympathetic responses, allowing the horse to appear to being doing the movements on its own. “Supreme Performance Through Supreme Freedom”
     
    09-01-2010, 02:29 PM
  #24
Green Broke
Thank you for the quotes from the Oxford Dictionary but no one is suggesting that Rolkur is an appropiate training method, just that Anky should be capable of remaining at an elite level WITHOUT resorting to such methods.

Oh and also that she is a huge hypocrite for suing a publication that links her to such a method. She would get along very well with Pat Parelli as it seems they have the same mantra of 'do as I say, not as I do'.
     
    09-01-2010, 02:37 PM
  #25
Weanling
Sarahver,
I just responded to your statement about her being a great rider.
Even Stephen Peters uses rolkur/ldr to some degree...it has become fashionable ala Parelli
     
    09-01-2010, 03:46 PM
  #26
Showing
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Originally Posted by sarahver    
Oh and also that she is a huge hypocrite for suing a publication that links her to such a method. She would get along very well with Pat Parelli as it seems they have the same mantra of 'do as I say, not as I do'.
     
    09-01-2010, 05:24 PM
  #27
Yearling
In my opinion it's time for Anky to get out of the game while she still has a shred of a name left to call her own. She has a good eye for horseflesh, perhaps she should switch to breeding or brokering for upper levels. The controversy that surrounds Anky, from both rollkur and now the legal action pursued by her camp, has signifigantly diminished her weight to a lot in the horse world. The Anky & Sjef ship has sunk, its just time for them to realize it.
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    09-01-2010, 05:33 PM
  #28
Green Broke
This is ridiculous IMHO. Anky has no case and will not win!

She IS a great rider, no doubt about that. But her methods are outrageously abusive
     
    09-01-2010, 06:45 PM
  #29
Trained
As I said before, she does not get on a horse and immediately ride every one she gets on, in rollkur for the whole ride.
She CAN and DOES ride with sympathy, softness and tact, getting the horse engaged by riding the hind legs to the bridle. Unfortunately, they have used rollkur on a few horses and now she's known as the initiator of the method. I really think people have to look beyond that a little, no I'm not standing up for her, she has made a mess of things on her own and she will have to get herself out of it on her own, but people must be aware that she doesn't just get on every horse and jam its head to its chest for a full ride.

Has anyone actually ever seen Anky live? Not many I would say, and I can tell you, she was most certainly one of the most forgiving, talented riders I have seen when she was here.
     
    09-01-2010, 07:12 PM
  #30
Weanling
"She CAN and DOES ride with sympathy, softness and tact, getting the horse engaged by riding the hind legs to the bridle."

Have you got blinders on. Watch this and for your information it represents her standards of schooling.
There is NOTHING sympathetic about this woman's communication with a horse. Her riding demonstrates a Mistress/Slave attitude......
     

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