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    08-04-2011, 10:15 AM
  #31
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Originally Posted by Cinnys Whinny    
My last trainer tried to get this concept going with us, but after she rode Cinny for a month, as well as I , she just threw up her hands and said...fine, ask with the outside the peanut brain will never learn differently.
I gave this advice to someone else re applying the simple alternate aids.

The best way in the beginning to determine which leg to use is to rely on where the horse's stomach is. If it bulges on one side the hind leg is under the body on that side.

To do the alternate legs take it one step at a time.

At walk don't have much rein contact and semi close your eyes and feel where the stomach is. Just sit deep and let your leg push it back when it pushes against your leg. Let your bum cheek follow that drive on that side. I tell my ADULT students it is like playing sex with the horse. LOL

When you try it at trot DON"T go fast. Slow trot and do the same as above.


Only then take up the rein and apply a small squeeze with the left rein when your right leg drives.

The key here is to eventually get impulsion but only when you as a rider can feel the horse and are in balance with it at a gait you can cope with.

Once you can do this you have no idea of just how much you can open your horse's gait beyond what you think is possible.

You will also find it easier to do arcs and circles when trying this.
     
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    08-04-2011, 11:01 AM
  #32
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by Spyder    
I gave this advice to someone else re applying the simple alternate aids.

The best way in the beginning to determine which leg to use is to rely on where the horse's stomach is. If it bulges on one side the hind leg is under the body on that side.

To do the alternate legs take it one step at a time.

At walk don't have much rein contact and semi close your eyes and feel where the stomach is. Just sit deep and let your leg push it back when it pushes against your leg. Let your bum cheek follow that drive on that side. I tell my ADULT students it is like playing sex with the horse. LOL

When you try it at trot DON"T go fast. Slow trot and do the same as above.


Only then take up the rein and apply a small squeeze with the left rein when your right leg drives.

The key here is to eventually get impulsion but only when you as a rider can feel the horse and are in balance with it at a gait you can cope with.

Once you can do this you have no idea of just how much you can open your horse's gait beyond what you think is possible.

You will also find it easier to do arcs and circles when trying this.
Okay, and then half halt would be same leg/rein if I wanted to half halt, is that right? I read that in the half halt thread, page three. And then if I were to ask for the canter, I would use my inside leg the way I normally would (when the stomach swings outward) and not use outside leg.... but use outside rein and then remember to concentrate on NOT dropping my inside shoulder because I ALWAYS drop my inside shoulder for some reason making him drop to the inside.

Just think, when I was 10 I would just jump on the horse and kick and expected my horse to read my mind (which she did pretty well) ha a.
     
    08-04-2011, 11:06 AM
  #33
Yearling
Ok now im confused.. Spyder can you do a step by step sequence of aids to ask for the canter?
     
    08-04-2011, 04:09 PM
  #34
Green Broke
Some success with Cinny today. I worked on the alternating aids at a walk, and WOW what a difference. I felt like he was switching from front wheel drive to rear wheel drive and we went from a 15 hand horse to a 16 hand horse at the walk. Very impressive and Cinny was even pleased with himself and started flapping that bottom lip with the joy of the feel of it. Then we moved to trot and that was a different story. We were fin with just the rein aids but when I added the alternating leg aids with it, Cinny immediately pinned his ears, tossed his head and went to his old habit of teeth grinding.

We stopped, worked on relaxing the jaw, went to the "happy walk" we were previously enjoying and then tried it again...same thing so I stopped using the leg aids and only did hands and he was perfectly fine, had his rear motor switched on and flapped his lip.

I asked for the canter as described here which was met with pinned ears, some grinding and a buck start but he had the correct lead and was balanced so I just left him alone. We did a few transitions and we are now going with just ears and gritting and no buck so I think with time he will "get it."

Maybe I to need a step by step sequence as suggested by Foxy.... I must be doing something the wrong way.
     
    08-04-2011, 05:32 PM
  #35
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Originally Posted by FoxyRoxy1507    
ok now im confused.. Spyder can you do a step by step sequence of aids to ask for the canter?


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Originally Posted by Cinnys Whinny    
Some success with Cinny today. I worked on the alternating aids at a walk, and WOW what a difference. I felt like he was switching from front wheel drive to rear wheel drive and we went from a 15 hand horse to a 16 hand horse at the walk. Very impressive and Cinny was even pleased with himself and started flapping that bottom lip with the joy of the feel of it. Then we moved to trot and that was a different story. We were fin with just the rein aids but when I added the alternating leg aids with it, Cinny immediately pinned his ears, tossed his head and went to his old habit of teeth grinding.

We stopped, worked on relaxing the jaw, went to the "happy walk" we were previously enjoying and then tried it again...same thing so I stopped using the leg aids and only did hands and he was perfectly fine, had his rear motor switched on and flapped his lip.

I asked for the canter as described here which was met with pinned ears, some grinding and a buck start but he had the correct lead and was balanced so I just left him alone. We did a few transitions and we are now going with just ears and gritting and no buck so I think with time he will "get it."

Maybe I to need a step by step sequence as suggested by Foxy.... I must be doing something the wrong way.

Sounds like you did it right but when you ask the horse to work more they could be telling you...why when I didn't have to before.

In your trot you may be bouncing, I would not know unless I could see a video.

The sequence is actually very simple as the walk to trot aid is very very similar. The main difference I do is move my legs very slightly back ( at walk they are at the girth).

So if you are able to get the rhythm, to canter you simply will stop the next drive with the outside leg and leave it just caressing the barrel of the horse. Your inside hip to thigh to leg ( if needed) will close on the horse stronger and STAY there until the canter starts. At which time that inside leg will drive every time the horse is IN THE AIR on that side. The rein aid ( completion of the half halt ( hopefully relatively mild) will occur when the horse's front end is in the UP position...not when the forehand in in the down position.

The problem many have is in the transition to trot means you simply start the alternate legs and NOT STOP until the transition is made.
     
    08-04-2011, 07:15 PM
  #36
Trained
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Originally Posted by kitten_Val    
Folks, but how do you even ask for the canter with the outside leg? I mean what the inside leg is doing then? I've never even heard about doing it this way to be honest.
Beginner riders are taught to ask for the canter by sliding the outside leg back a hair and apply a tap or turn of that leg to tell the horse that you want that hind leg to step off first. Inside leg is for telling the horse to go forward. Hopefully most riders eventually progress to the point of learning the more correct and refined cue.
     
    08-04-2011, 08:58 PM
  #37
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Originally Posted by Spyder    
In your trot you may be bouncing, I would not know unless I could see a video.
I went and put up a new "critique cinny" thread with today's ride in it, so maybe that vid can clue you in. But, so far the 3 critiques I have had say that he's actually "off" in the hind and was in my first vid of him a year ago to so now, I don't know. I haven't had anybody in person say he's off, and I have gone to some clinics and non of the clinicians have said my horse is off in the hind so.....

But I do know that Cinny is one of those "what, you expect me to work???" kind of horses ha ha.
     
    08-04-2011, 09:24 PM
  #38
Trained
Half halt, calf pressure, release cues, horse walks, away you go. Trot=same thing, (you're moving up a gear). Canter=soften & collect forward energy, close finger inside hand, calf pressure outside leg & slight weight shift outside hip, horse canters off. No kicking, kicking is a correction saved for corrections. A good rider rides from transistion to transistion, a great rider rides from half halt to half halt.
     
    08-04-2011, 10:23 PM
  #39
Yearling
Walk to trot: Double squeeze with both calves. First squeeze is to notify the horse that I'm about to ask them two trot, second, firmer squeeze is the actual aid to trot. They're done like a heartbeat, tha-thump.

Trot to canter: Outer leg slides back to notify the horse that the canter aid is coming. Inside hip initiates the first canter stride as I squeeze with both legs. The "scoop" of the inside hip is what differentiates the canter aid from say, traver.

Canter to trot: Grow taller in the saddle, exhale. (for clarification purposes, I do not hold my breath while riding, or at least I try to keep breathing, so this is a "fake" large exhale)

Trot to walk: Grow taller in the saddle, exhale.
     
    08-23-2011, 07:10 PM
  #40
Showing
Thanks for all your typing Spyder. I think I'll print off your directions to keep in my back pocket reference guide. Surprisingly, it makes since to my untrained brain.
     

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