appy/twh... - The Horse Forum

 
LinkBack Thread Tools
post #1 of 8 Old 03-31-2010, 04:15 PM Thread Starter
Foal
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Alabama
Posts: 18
• Horses: 0
Post appy/twh...

Ok, I am looking for a new horse to work with and I came across an appy/twh that has some dressage training and really good movement and headset. He has a normal walk and trot BUT a "gaited canter". So I called and asked about him and the owner (who I have talked to before about a different horse) says that he has a four beat canter...I know you can train to 3 beat, but the reason (not bc he is twh) that he 4 beats is bc he was used as a trick horse. Can I train him to three beat, or is 4 beating ok in intro-1(example only). Obviously I would like him to 3 beat but is it really that awful? My trainer didn't seem to like the idea. But, he seems like a really good horse, that loves attention and has good movement. If I could get some feed back or ideas that would be great, ALSO, they should be taking better pics and taking a video of him soon.
aslifegoesby is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #2 of 8 Old 03-31-2010, 09:48 PM
Trained
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Connecticut
Posts: 8,157
• Horses: 0
I recently heard a clinician say, a horse's trot can be improved up to 80%. A canter can only be improved 20%.

You just have to see your distance...you don't have to like it.
MyBoyPuck is offline  
post #3 of 8 Old 03-31-2010, 11:34 PM
Trained
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: In the saddle.
Posts: 5,157
• Horses: 1
A canter can't be improved at all. Same with the walk. They walk and canter the same at 2 months old and 20 years old no matter what training they've had. A trot you can make, it's work, but it is possible.

IMO an Appy/TWH does not sound like an ideal cross for dressage. Try looking for a TB or even a QH.
~*~anebel~*~ is offline  
post #4 of 8 Old 04-01-2010, 12:08 AM Thread Starter
Foal
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Alabama
Posts: 18
• Horses: 0
I know he is not an ideal dressage horse, but he is a good horse. Just one I was interested in... He seemed like a very good horse besides that... wouldn't compete him (obviously, I'd like to see those scores(hahaha)) but work with him. Thanks!
aslifegoesby is offline  
post #5 of 8 Old 04-01-2010, 12:40 AM
Trained
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Australia
Posts: 8,175
• Horses: 3
If you're happy to just play around with him at home and take him out to comps without expecting to do well,. Then sure why not?
But if he naturally 4 beats, it will be near impossible to train him to comfortably 3 beat. Which in the long term is going to make it very hard for him to get true collection, and manage the higher level movements, even just flying changes.
You do see a lot of horses 4 beating in dressage now days, but unfortunately that is just a canter ruined by bad riding and training.
Kayty is offline  
post #6 of 8 Old 04-01-2010, 08:33 PM Thread Starter
Foal
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Alabama
Posts: 18
• Horses: 0
I don't think I'm going to bother with him, but he is well trained.. and stinkin cute! I have another horse I am looking at that is paint/qh.... very QH.
aslifegoesby is offline  
post #7 of 8 Old 04-05-2010, 10:18 PM
Trained
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Connecticut
Posts: 8,157
• Horses: 0
Quote:
Originally Posted by ~*~anebel~*~ View Post
A canter can't be improved at all. Same with the walk. They walk and canter the same at 2 months old and 20 years old no matter what training they've had. \.
I respectfully disagree. I was able to improve my horse's right lead canter dramatically through strength training and lateral work. His right used to be overbent, crooked, his hind legs trailed and he couldn't keep it for more than 20 strides. Two years later he's so balanced on both leads. He's practically ambidextrous. (not sure if that's spelled correctly, but you get the idea) He steps practically under his belly on both leads and the canter is more boyant, forward and energetic. I wish I had before and after pics to make my point, but canter can definitely be improved.

You just have to see your distance...you don't have to like it.
MyBoyPuck is offline  
post #8 of 8 Old 04-05-2010, 11:29 PM
Trained
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: In the saddle.
Posts: 5,157
• Horses: 1
Quote:
Originally Posted by MyBoyPuck View Post
I respectfully disagree. I was able to improve my horse's right lead canter dramatically through strength training and lateral work. His right used to be overbent, crooked, his hind legs trailed and he couldn't keep it for more than 20 strides. Two years later he's so balanced on both leads. He's practically ambidextrous. (not sure if that's spelled correctly, but you get the idea) He steps practically under his belly on both leads and the canter is more boyant, forward and energetic. I wish I had before and after pics to make my point, but canter can definitely be improved.
You fixed a training issue and balanced the canter. Did you improve the actual gait? No. You just balanced it. Now to actually make the gait itself (and not just the balance) better, you wouldn't be able to.
You cannot buy a horse with a lateral canter and turn it into a proper canter. You can buy a horse who has no extended trot, and trots around flatly and train it to do a good trot.

The canter simply is just what God gave us with each horse. You can balance it, strengthen it,, collect it and make it look better but you will not change the tempo and the cadence of it.
~*~anebel~*~ is offline  
Reply

Tags
4 beat canter , appaloosa , twh

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the The Horse Forum forums, you must first register.

Already have a Horse Forum account?
Members are allowed only one account per person at the Horse Forum, so if you've made an account here in the past you'll need to continue using that account. Please do not create a new account or you may lose access to the Horse Forum. If you need help recovering your existing account, please Contact Us. We'll be glad to help!

New to the Horse Forum?
Please choose a username you will be satisfied with using for the duration of your membership at the Horse Forum. We do not change members' usernames upon request because that would make it difficult for everyone to keep track of who is who on the forum. For that reason, please do not incorporate your horse's name into your username so that you are not stuck with a username related to a horse you may no longer have some day, or use any other username you may no longer identify with or care for in the future.



User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in









Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.


Old Thread Warning
This thread is more than 90 days old. When a thread is this old, it is often better to start a new thread rather than post to it. However, If you feel you have something of value to add to this particular thread, you can do so by checking the box below before submitting your post.

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page



Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Appy people QHDragon Horse Breeds 6 12-08-2009 09:19 PM
Maybe an Appy? HorseOfCourse Horse Breeds 5 09-24-2009 09:13 PM
appy, possible buy Twilight Arabians Horse Riding Critique 20 07-06-2009 12:57 PM
What do you think of my appy? PG'sGal4ever Horse Riding Critique 10 10-19-2008 10:05 PM
Help with my appy. srss Horse Training 8 10-25-2007 04:28 PM

Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome