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    03-31-2010, 05:15 PM
  #1
Foal
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Ok, I am looking for a new horse to work with and I came across an appy/twh that has some dressage training and really good movement and headset. He has a normal walk and trot BUT a "gaited canter". So I called and asked about him and the owner (who I have talked to before about a different horse) says that he has a four beat canter...I know you can train to 3 beat, but the reason (not bc he is twh) that he 4 beats is bc he was used as a trick horse. Can I train him to three beat, or is 4 beating ok in intro-1(example only). Obviously I would like him to 3 beat but is it really that awful? My trainer didn't seem to like the idea. But, he seems like a really good horse, that loves attention and has good movement. If I could get some feed back or ideas that would be great, ALSO, they should be taking better pics and taking a video of him soon.
     
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    03-31-2010, 10:48 PM
  #2
Trained
I recently heard a clinician say, a horse's trot can be improved up to 80%. A canter can only be improved 20%.
     
    04-01-2010, 12:34 AM
  #3
Trained
A canter can't be improved at all. Same with the walk. They walk and canter the same at 2 months old and 20 years old no matter what training they've had. A trot you can make, it's work, but it is possible.

IMO an Appy/TWH does not sound like an ideal cross for dressage. Try looking for a TB or even a QH.
     
    04-01-2010, 01:08 AM
  #4
Foal
I know he is not an ideal dressage horse, but he is a good horse. Just one I was interested in... He seemed like a very good horse besides that... wouldn't compete him (obviously, I'd like to see those scores(hahaha)) but work with him. Thanks!
     
    04-01-2010, 01:40 AM
  #5
Trained
If you're happy to just play around with him at home and take him out to comps without expecting to do well,. Then sure why not?
But if he naturally 4 beats, it will be near impossible to train him to comfortably 3 beat. Which in the long term is going to make it very hard for him to get true collection, and manage the higher level movements, even just flying changes.
You do see a lot of horses 4 beating in dressage now days, but unfortunately that is just a canter ruined by bad riding and training.
     
    04-01-2010, 09:33 PM
  #6
Foal
I don't think I'm going to bother with him, but he is well trained.. and stinkin cute! I have another horse I am looking at that is paint/qh.... very QH.
     
    04-05-2010, 11:18 PM
  #7
Trained
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Originally Posted by ~*~anebel~*~    
A canter can't be improved at all. Same with the walk. They walk and canter the same at 2 months old and 20 years old no matter what training they've had. \.
I respectfully disagree. I was able to improve my horse's right lead canter dramatically through strength training and lateral work. His right used to be overbent, crooked, his hind legs trailed and he couldn't keep it for more than 20 strides. Two years later he's so balanced on both leads. He's practically ambidextrous. (not sure if that's spelled correctly, but you get the idea) He steps practically under his belly on both leads and the canter is more boyant, forward and energetic. I wish I had before and after pics to make my point, but canter can definitely be improved.
     
    04-06-2010, 12:29 AM
  #8
Trained
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Originally Posted by MyBoyPuck    
I respectfully disagree. I was able to improve my horse's right lead canter dramatically through strength training and lateral work. His right used to be overbent, crooked, his hind legs trailed and he couldn't keep it for more than 20 strides. Two years later he's so balanced on both leads. He's practically ambidextrous. (not sure if that's spelled correctly, but you get the idea) He steps practically under his belly on both leads and the canter is more boyant, forward and energetic. I wish I had before and after pics to make my point, but canter can definitely be improved.
You fixed a training issue and balanced the canter. Did you improve the actual gait? No. You just balanced it. Now to actually make the gait itself (and not just the balance) better, you wouldn't be able to.
You cannot buy a horse with a lateral canter and turn it into a proper canter. You can buy a horse who has no extended trot, and trots around flatly and train it to do a good trot.

The canter simply is just what God gave us with each horse. You can balance it, strengthen it,, collect it and make it look better but you will not change the tempo and the cadence of it.
     

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