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    01-19-2010, 10:07 PM
Lol every time someone abbreviates my screen name like that it makes me think of Nazis...
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    01-20-2010, 01:35 AM
Originally Posted by starlinestables    
lol every time someone abbreviates my screen name like that it makes me think of Nazis...
that is an unfortunate association, I will try not to do that again! Kayty, now that you mention him hanging on the rein because I am, it makes total sense. I really do rely on it quite a bit. I think I started this habit because he spooks really badly in a particular corner and to keep his mind on me, I use a lot of inside rein and leg to bend him into the corner. I think I have developed a very bad habit because of this!
    01-20-2010, 05:44 AM
Haha see there you go :) Just goes to show that before we go blaming the horse, we should strip down our own issues first :)
If he's spooking in one corner, jam your inside leg onto him, open your outside rein and 'close' your inside rein (move it onto his neck but don't hang onto it) so that the easiest way for him to go is towards the 'scarey' thing.
But yeah, as I said in my previous post, I think before you worry about where his head is, correct yourself first by riding your seat towards you hand, rather than hand towards seat.
You should see a marked improvement in him just by doing that :)
    01-20-2010, 09:39 AM
Originally Posted by tealamutt    
I need a little help with my TB. He really likes being on the bit, but sometimes I find him falling behind the vertical and I have no idea how to fix it. I don't have a regular trainer right now (stupid cow town!) so I need some help from you guys.

He raced for 7 years and then was a dressage horse for 3 years and then retrained as a hunter/jumper for the last 10 years. He's an old man but doesn't know it. Anyway, I can get some lovely collection out of him, but then I feel like I lose the contact and sure enough he is behind the verticle. When he is nice and collected and on the bit, I can throw away some rein and he maintains the frame so I don't think I am artificially pulling him on to the bit without actual collection, and he is rounding very nicely under me.

So what am I doing wrong to cause this and what can I work on to help fix it? All help is appreciated and I continue to seek a trainer in the area. Thanks!
hi, I'm having the same problem with my 4 year old ottb mare. She bends a bit too much and comes behind the vertical. Right now when she does that I try lifting her head (over exaggerate your hands) and push her forward....8it has been working...I think I have z video I'll try and post....or if you go on YouTube and type in janxaee some of the videos labeled Annie 01/19/10 should show. Good luck!
    01-20-2010, 05:59 PM
Yep very good comment janxaee, that's one thing I did forgot to mention that we do with my boy too. Ride him above the vertical, get him pushing off his hind legs and wanting to reach into the bit, then slowly let him down a little.
    01-21-2010, 12:32 AM
Originally Posted by Kayty    
Haha see there you go :) Just goes to show that before we go blaming the horse, we should strip down our own issues first :)

Oh yes, I ALWAYS assume it is me and not him. After all, he is trained to do this stuff and I am still learning. The great news is that I have found a trainer to help me. She may not be a top level rider or anything like that (my goals are strictly for pleasure anyway) but at my level, any knowlegeable rider will be able to help me a lot.

I have written down the suggestions in this post to think about as we ride this week. Things have been going fairly well and I can see that these are going to help us a lot. Now that I will have a pair of eyes on the ground as well, I'm sure we'll get these problems sorted and move on to the next round! Thanks for all the advice here.
    01-31-2010, 11:25 PM
Just an update for those who posted advice for me on this problem- had my first lesson with a new trainer (first trainer to help me with my boy, very excited about her, it was AWESOME) and within the first 15 minutes she resolved this issue. I was using waaaay too much inside rein and almost no outside rein. Once I corrected these issues, he started seeking the contact, rounding up and we had our most lovely, collected canter ever. Thanks for all who posted great advice, now that I know what was at the core of the issue, I can use your tips more fully to make sure the problem is buried for good!

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