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    06-10-2012, 03:35 PM
  #31
Foal
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Originally Posted by Tnavas    

Quote Bobthebuilder - "So my question is- is it possible to do dressage properly in a bitless bridle?"

Answer - Yes it is possible - its as possible to do as it is in a bitted bridle - if you are the right rider.
Isnt that a bit of a generalization? I mean, horses, as people are individuals... For example, some horses when being silly just need to be given a smack and get told to stop being silly... Whereas if I do that with my mare she freaks out and needs a 15 minute cool down session to get her brain in order again.
Similarly, maybe some horses just don't like head pressure?

She is a sensitive little lady- and hates pressure of any kind, if you try to hold on to her in any way when she doesnt want to- she will flip out. Not due to bad manners, but because she genuinely finds it scary.
She is also super sensitive around her ears in general.
I figured, because the mouth is so sensitive, to get the same effect not using the mouth, the pressure points would have to be kind of severe.

Not sure where discussing breeds came into this... Imo, all horses can do dressage, just as all horses can jump, all horses can race.
Wether they do it well or not... that's a different issue
And the dressage world is indeed unfair- I constantly get marked down due to my mares un flashy movements- even though she does everything I ask, flying changes, shoulder in, travers, etc. Unfair, but such is life. Of course, I don't really have any experience with drafts/ draft x's so I can't comment.
     
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    06-10-2012, 04:50 PM
  #32
Weanling
Hi Bob the Builder - have you had a chiropractor to your mare as this sort of reaction to pressure could be the poll out of alignment.

My bad re the draft thing - it was refered to a discussion with Anebel regarding a previous thread.

Your response above I'm not sure what you are meaning.
Yes it is possible - its as possible to do as it is in a bitted bridle - if you are the right rider.
The right rider is the key to the success or mediocrety - some riders get more out of a horse than others. We all see horses around at shows that we wish had a better rider as the horse has talent and the rider either doesn't have talent or lacks the training or knowledge.Or the horse doesn't have the temperement for the work it is being asked to do.
     
    06-10-2012, 08:02 PM
  #33
Foal
I think it is a matter of what the horse likes. All three of my horses like different set ups. I find it funny that people, who never rode in a bitless, think that a horse cannot do correct dressage in a bitless. It is all about what a horse likes and works better in. One of mine collects, comes thru and rides much better in a bitless. This has been witness by my friends who are upper level riders and my trainers who have trained many horses to grand prix. All were so surprised to see the difference.
I thought of doing a video of me at a clinic today as suggested by Allison, but then I would have to have some one tape it and then figure out how to put it on, which frankly I didnít want to spend the time doing. (Perhaps I will get some photoís.) But watch the video from Uta Graff and anyone can see CORRECT dressage is being ridden with a bitless, you really donít need a video of me.
My dentist said my horse has a very thin tongue with thin skin & narrow bars. He also has a small spur on 1 bar (from before my time) so bits are just painful for him. So of course he wasnít coming thru from back to front. He backed off, when I got him he also had a slight osteo arthritis in the right hock, which is the same side the spur is on and the side I felt him not quite coming completely thru on. I donít think it is a coincidence.
When I set up a horse with their equipment I spend a ride trying all kinds of bits, or the different kinds of bitless I have, and I see what they like, if you do one after the other it is easy to tell what they work best in. It is not about our preconceived ideas; it is about what is best and what works best with your horse. If you canít feel this for yourself, have a good trainer ride your horse as you switch out tack. So the original ?, yes you can ride correct dressage in a bitless. Should you? Ask your horse. It was not hard training him to the bitless, just took a couple of rides, before he got what the light squeeze to single a bend or Ĺ halt was, since it is a different feel for them.
Also have you seen the antique pictures of baroque horses doing dressage? Many are bitless, so itís classical.
I ordered a Micklem, canít wait to try it.
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    06-11-2012, 02:27 AM
  #34
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Originally Posted by Tnavas    
Hi Bob the Builder - have you had a chiropractor to your mare as this sort of reaction to pressure could be the poll out of alignment.

My bad re the draft thing - it was refered to a discussion with Anebel regarding a previous thread.

Your response above I'm not sure what you are meaning.
Yes it is possible - its as possible to do as it is in a bitted bridle - if you are the right rider.
The right rider is the key to the success or mediocrety - some riders get more out of a horse than others. We all see horses around at shows that we wish had a better rider as the horse has talent and the rider either doesn't have talent or lacks the training or knowledge.Or the horse doesn't have the temperement for the work it is being asked to do.
I'm going to stop responding now, because I don't like arguments, and especially not over the internet.
However, it sounds like you're saying that i'm not a good rider because I can't ride my horse bitless.
Of course, you're entitled to your opinion, but i'd just like to say again- horses are different.
While some horses do fine in a paddock, I know I couldn't do that with my mare because she runs herself lame.
I would love to 'join up' with my mare, but I can't because she freaks out in longing arenas/round pens.
I'd also like to point out that when we got her, we could barely touch her face. She was kept in a dinky little farm in the middle of the desert, and we have no idea what they did to her. She's still super sensitive about it.
I've seen people try to ride my horse. She gets very hot and very strong. Due to many years of training, I am now able to ride her in a snaffle for dressage, jumping and xc.
Like said- you're entitled to your opinion about my riding abilities, but I think its unfair to judge a persons compatibility with a horse on their riding bitless or not, just as it is unfair to judge a persons riding overall based on the equipment they use- and that only.
     
    06-11-2012, 02:34 AM
  #35
Weanling
Sorry Bobthebuilder - I definitely don't mean that you are not a good rider - it was hard to explain and I was in a hurry and sent the post in.

I feel that the majority of horses can work just as well either with a bit or bitless. The suoerstar horses always need the right rider to bring out the best - horses like Totilas is exceptional because he had a top rider on him - the same horse with a good rider may never have got the quality of work from the horse as he did and I think this applies to all horses.

I hope you will consider having a chiropractor look over your mare as she could be sore in the poll which will affect her acceptance of the bitless. I have a bad neck and find the weight of a halterneck apron makes my head ache. Yet it doesn't weigh much but sits on a sensitive part of my neck.

Sorry to have offended you it really wasn't intended.
     

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