British talent runs deep! And young! *PONY KUR*

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British talent runs deep! And young! *PONY KUR*

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    08-01-2013, 06:22 PM
British talent runs deep! And young! *PONY KUR*

Check out 12 y o Phoebe Peters, winning all 3 Pony Riders classes at Vidauban CDI back in March. Here's her winning (84%) Kur. I'm still drooling over that trot half pass

Topdressage.TV - View topic - Pony EC 2013 Arezzo : FTM Phoebe did it again 84%

Brava Phoebe! GO BRITS!
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    08-01-2013, 07:23 PM
A 12 yr old at that level...I really do feel inadequate LOL. Wonder how tall that pony is..hard to tell from the vid.
    08-01-2013, 07:31 PM
*correction* - This video is actually from the European Pony Championships in Arezzo Italy July 28, 2013. But Phoebe won all 3 classes again, indiv. Gold, team Bronze.
    08-02-2013, 11:29 AM
And this is the difference between here and across the pond. That all is just basic dressage, and is not very difficult to ride on a schooled horse. I think Phoebe is an exceptional rider and deserves scores like that as she takes boring to extraordinary and rides every drop out of that pony. But in general, to ride a half pass, a shoulder in, some counter canter, is not so difficult that it is unattainable. And to do it with a great seat is not hard either - lunge lessons!
For someone with 4 years of lessons - I assume - under their belt, this is to be expected, and is a product of a good system.
I teach a 12 year old, and I wish I could get her on a schooled horse! She has such feel...
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    08-02-2013, 12:35 PM
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I did read an article in a US horse mag that said that the US would benefit from starting its young riders on the sort of ponies we have in the UK and Europe in general and also to have the sort of ridden show pony classes we have too - that is where Charlotte Dujardin began her riding career and her sister still does.
I couldn't access that video for some reason so posting this one in case others had the same trouble
Not sure what anebel really meant in her post but this is where the most top riders begin in Europe - at basic level on 'schoolmaster' ponies or horses. Phoebe has an excellent trainer who will steer her to the point where she can be taking on a 'greenie'. This pony came from Germany.
And her on a bigger horse
    08-02-2013, 12:42 PM
Yes that is exactly what I meant.
It's a shame we don't have access to the same horses and the calibre of coaches who start these young kids out.
    08-02-2013, 02:32 PM
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Did you see how wide that pony was? A bit like riding a table. I enjoyed watching that. I though it was a splendid ride.
    08-02-2013, 03:37 PM
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Originally Posted by ~*~anebel~*~    
Yes that is exactly what I meant.
It's a shame we don't have access to the same horses and the calibre of coaches who start these young kids out.
I agree it is a shame but they are introducing more and more of the German sport ponies into this country now so maybe it will start to happen
It did surprise me to not see the sort of ridden pony classes here that we have in the UK as in the early 60's one Britains top UK show pony's (Pollyanna) was exported to the US for what was then said to be a huge amount of money - obviously nothing was ever done to take it further or maybe no interest.
    08-02-2013, 04:07 PM
"German Sport Ponies" yes - but then no one rides or trains the majority of them correctly and then they are no better than what is currently in the country.

The problem in NA is that trainers are very segregated and wont work together. If Suzie trains a horse then ONLY her students are allowed to ride it - or someone with lots of money can buy it. No one is allowed to lease the horse so if there is no one to ride the horse - it sits in a field.
But if Suzie was working with Janie and George then the three of them could circulate horses and students between them to give the student the best learning experience. But Suzie is scared that Janie and George will steal her students, so this never happens.
It's the capitalist mentality, and it stifles learning like nothing else. "My way or the highway" is not the best way to do dressage, but to develop a group of people who can work together to develop horses and riders - or themselves as coaches for that matter. So then we have uneducated coaches with limited horses trying to retain as many students as possible - usually by badmouthing everyone. Sound familiar?!? LOL.
    08-02-2013, 04:31 PM
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I have a student in Canada who breeds wonderful New Forest ponies that are doing very well in dressage. This country (and Canada) just doesn't give ponies their due. She has a hard time selling her ponies for what they are worth here. She gets more interest from Europe.

This youngster is going nicely. Luckily he also has a great jump in him. He could go either way.

This country needs to get over their anti pony bias in dressage.
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