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        08-02-2013, 05:42 PM
      #11
    Trained
    The problem is they need to be trained.
    Like the horses as well.

    We have a severe shortage of trained dressage horses, and ponies.

    Yes, there are lots of people able to put a mare and a stallion in a field. There aren't enough people training them. This is why slaughter is so prevalent.
         
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        08-02-2013, 06:56 PM
      #12
    Super Moderator
    Lovely New Forest pony.
    Its a shame they don't even seem to get the recognition they deserve in the UK any more but so versatile and generally easier than the welsh ponies can be. They were really popular when I was a child - I had a nice Priory pony and we had a great little mare for my youngest son as a second pony that I had from a foal.
    I totally agree anebel - from what I've seen of some "english' riding since I've been here I'm not surprised at what you say - and I live in New England where we do seem to have maybe more English than Western but a lot of it isn't what I call English at all - mainly the Hunt Seat Equitation thing. We went to a show last week to try to get a handle on it and they were very friendly and happy to talk to me but considering I was told that the riders in the one class were 'at very top level' DH & I were disgusted. None of the horses were actually 'collected' and on the bit at any of the time - all yank & crank headsets, standing martingales so tight the horses couldn't stretch their necks to get over the jumps, one woman with spurs, toes stuck out at right angles to the horse and then complaining it was pulling like a train so she was yanking it so hard in the mouth I'm amazed it still had its jawbone intact. Bums waggling in the air at canter even in the 'flat class' and the jumping was more like a scurry competition
    Sorry for the rant - its probably just another of those adjusting to a new way of doing things situation.
    In UK show pony classes the kids are actually riding basic dressage seat - not so long in the stirrup but the essentials are still there so an easy graduation into dressage if they want too and a lot of the ponies are already capable of it by way of breeding and ability
         
        08-03-2013, 05:27 PM
      #13
    Weanling
    Jaydee - you were not seeing the top level equitation riders if they were riding with their "toes stuck out at right angles to the horse" and their horses were not on the bit, no matter what anyone told you. Until the equitation finals in the fall, almost anyone can enter an equitation class as long as they pay the fee. There are restrictions as to age, but there is rarely a qualification until the finals. Watch some current top level equitation riders such as Lillie Keenan or Jacob Pope online and appreciate their control, accuracy, poise and style. Brianne Goutal and McLain Ward were equitation final winners as juniors and they still maintain a classic style.
         
        08-03-2013, 05:32 PM
      #14
    Foal
    Wow, amazing pony, I wonder who is doing more work? The girl or the pony? Who is the expierienced one? I think it's the pony. The rider may be talented, but the pony has got I be quite good too.
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        08-03-2013, 09:28 PM
      #15
    Weanling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by remka    
    The rider may be talented, but the pony has got I be quite good too.
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    LOL! Love that!!!
         
        08-03-2013, 09:33 PM
      #16
    Trained
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by remka    
    Wow, amazing pony, I wonder who is doing more work? The girl or the pony? Who is the expierienced one? I think it's the pony. The rider may be talented, but the pony has got I be quite good too.
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    Absolutely - but put a not so talented rider on a super talented horse, and see if they get the same results. The rider MUST have talent to pull results such as this combination. The schoolmaster with a beginner may make the kid look good at pony club levels, but that falls apart when you start getting into the more complex level of training. It certainly takes two to tango.
         
        08-03-2013, 09:51 PM
      #17
    Started
    That was a really fun video to watch. The two of them are a very good match for each other. Man, they sure made it look easy!

    Out of curiosity, is it normal to be sitting so far back? I don't mean sitting far back, but she looks like she's leaning really far back. Not knowing much about the finesse in Dressage, I'm just trying to understand what I'm seeing. :)
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        08-03-2013, 11:48 PM
      #18
    Trained
    No, she is leaning back and would preferably be vertical. However a lot of that comes from core strength and at 14 it definitely isnt easy to maintain that strength and sit on big paces like that. She's a talented kid, I'd be very surprised if that stayed as a habit as she becomes stronger and more balanced in the saddle.
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        08-04-2013, 12:22 AM
      #19
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    That certainly makes sense. I just want sure if that was intentional or not. There were a couple of moments where she looked like her pony was going to ride away and leave her drifting in the wind, lol.
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        08-04-2013, 12:36 PM
      #20
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Kayty    
    Absolutely - but put a not so talented rider on a super talented horse, and see if they get the same results. The rider MUST have talent to pull results such as this combination. The schoolmaster with a beginner may make the kid look good at pony club levels, but that falls apart when you start getting into the more complex level of training. It certainly takes two to tango.
    That's absolutely true and even at the very top level Totilas hasnt looked as good since he changed hands
         

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