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    08-04-2013, 11:59 AM
  #21
Green Broke
She is leaning back a lot, but I still enjoyed watching this.

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Originally Posted by ~*~anebel~*~    
The problem is they need to be trained.
Like the horses as well.

We have a severe shortage of trained dressage horses, and ponies.

Yes, there are lots of people able to put a mare and a stallion in a field. There aren't enough people training them. This is why slaughter is so prevalent.
It's not just dressage horses. We have the same problem in Western riding.
People just don't want to take time or spend the money.
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    08-04-2013, 10:48 PM
  #22
Showing
OH MY GOSH!!!! IM ABOUT TO DIE!!!!! So stinking cute!!!!!
     
    08-05-2013, 06:11 AM
  #23
Green Broke
At work, so unfortunately I am unable to view the video however I have heard of this girl!

As an in put from the 'pond side'

There is a problem. Unless you are born with a silver spoon in your mouth, you aren't going to be able to find the trainers and ponies at this level.

For a competition pony suitable, you are looking at €40,000+
Then you have to get the trainers.
That costs even more.

The issue I find in Germany is we have an abundance of lower level horses who are OK trained, with OK trainers.

But if you want to get anywhere, you need to money. You need to be able to afford the horse or pony to buy or ride, and the trainer to take you the distance.

I can't comment on the UK as I have never experienced the horse world there.

This young lady has also done very well for herself. But she has the one GP horse, knowing she cannot afford another 'finished' one so has three younger horses on the back burner. Again, there is still a lot of money
Jenny Lang and Loverboy with Mutual Love and Respect to the Top | eurodressage

Honestly, I love my riding. I love dressage. Would I want to compete against some of the people out here with what I would be able to afford horse and trainer wise? Not in a month of sundays.

Deutsches Reitpony Wallach 10 Jahre 148 cm Palomino

Deutsches Reitpony Wallach 8 Jahre 147 cm Schwarzbrauner

Deutsches Reitpony Stute 9 Jahre 148 cm Fuchs

All of the above are 30,000+ and no where near the 'top' for competition levels out here so far... just as a guide.
     
    08-05-2013, 06:46 AM
  #24
Weanling
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Originally Posted by DuffyDuck    
At work, so unfortunately I am unable to view the video however I have heard of this girl!

As an in put from the 'pond side'

There is a problem. Unless you are born with a silver spoon in your mouth, you aren't going to be able to find the trainers and ponies at this level.

For a competition pony suitable, you are looking at 40,000+
Then you have to get the trainers.
That costs even more.

The issue I find in Germany is we have an abundance of lower level horses who are OK trained, with OK trainers.

But if you want to get anywhere, you need to money. You need to be able to afford the horse or pony to buy or ride, and the trainer to take you the distance.

I can't comment on the UK as I have never experienced the horse world there.

This young lady has also done very well for herself. But she has the one GP horse, knowing she cannot afford another 'finished' one so has three younger horses on the back burner. Again, there is still a lot of money
Jenny Lang and Loverboy with Mutual Love and Respect to the Top | eurodressage

Honestly, I love my riding. I love dressage. Would I want to compete against some of the people out here with what I would be able to afford horse and trainer wise? Not in a month of sundays.

Deutsches Reitpony Wallach 10 Jahre 148 cm Palomino

Deutsches Reitpony Wallach 8 Jahre 147 cm Schwarzbrauner

Deutsches Reitpony Stute 9 Jahre 148 cm Fuchs

All of the above are 30,000+ and no where near the 'top' for competition levels out here so far... just as a guide.
It's exactly the same in the UK, DD. If you've got the money, done your circuit either with show ponies or Pony Club and BRC Juniors, then into BD Juniors (with an expensive, talented and well schooled pony that you pick up through those connections and probs with an ex GP coach) then you start qualifying for the Juniors and then Young Rider teams. 90% of British DR and SJ top riders have gone through the same process - eventing is the only one that has a few more wild cards. They say it takes at least two of money, skill and luck to get to the top levels in the UK!!
     
    08-05-2013, 10:02 AM
  #25
Weanling
DuffyDuck, off topic but I had to second your admiration of Jenny Lang and Loverboy I watched them at Hickstead yesterday and fell in love with that horse - his gaits and expression ar drool-worthy.
Jenny Lang & Loverboy,Aachen,FEI CDI4* Freestyle 2013 - YouTube
     
    08-05-2013, 11:41 AM
  #26
Super Moderator
The money thing is spot on. Buying, keeping and competing horses at this level comes with a hefty price tag wherever you are
If you're lucky and get spotted you can sometimes find a sponser or an owner with money who will let you compete their horses/ponies or you might get a job on a top yard and be given the chance - pretty much the route that both Karl Hester and Charlotte took but so many chasing that dream
The man I worked for had some horses that had the potential to go to the top but it was a business and they were there to be sold not to cost him money in keep and fees - the prize money doesn't pay the bills unless you are consistently winning and in most of show classes doesn't even do that
However that doesnt mean that even at the lower levels in any horse sport people shouldn't be working at doing the very best they can with what they have - there is personal reward in that
It also doesnt mean that people shouldn't be working at breeding really good stock instead of a lot of the rubbish there is about (on both sides of the pond) and that we don't need some inspiring talented affordable trainers
     
    08-06-2013, 12:48 AM
  #27
Foal
The money issue is huge for sure. There are a few working students at my barn who receive training in exchange for full-time work, but unless they have parents who can afford to buy them very expensive horses or find someone who will let them show their horses they will not be competitive at the upper levels regardless of how excellent their riding is. I know some of the most incredible riders who will probably never fulfill their potential simply because they don't have access to the types of horses that could bring them there. Not to mention the cost of showing - working students cannot afford to spend $1000 in a weekend unless someone else is giving them money to do it.
     
    08-06-2013, 07:26 AM
  #28
Green Broke
It can be done without being born to money. Charlotte certainly proved that, she was very deffinalty not from money!

Tenacity, Luck and skill will still get you where you need to be. I once tried a medium level (US 3rd level) school mistress out, she had won at BD champs and been competative at that level in European comeptitions. She was for sale for 8000 so not silly money she would have been Ideal for someone coming up the ranks. I was trying her for a Para rider aiming at paralympics and she was a bit too sharp for that purpose but If I had the money I would have bought her for myself (I was a full time student at the time), Infact if she came up for sale again (for similar money) then I'd have to have a long think because no I probably could scrape the money together.
     
    08-06-2013, 07:39 AM
  #29
Green Broke
Also I once watched a documentery on H&C tv about some American Major Equitation Championship show (apparently very hard to qualify for and people from all over the US spent loads on horses and getting there). I was horrified at the riding, the horses whilst very sweet were pootling along all pokey nosed, the jumps involved probably maxed out at 2ft 6, no one sat down in the canter (bums waving in the air as someone said earlier) standing martigales on everything . I wanted to shake them and tell them to actualy RIDE the horses not just sit there and attempt to look pretty.
Show pony classes over here everything Should be working as though it were about to go in the dressage arena, most open show horses could do a decent Elementary test and even the novice ponies can go out and be competative at Prelim and novice classes (Reeco could go out and do a prelim tommorow if needs be, I'd be a bit dubious about a novice class at the moment but I don't think we would disgrace ourselves entirely. Working hunter classes (so showing with the added element of looking stylish over jumps) 14hh ponies jump 2ft 9 - 3ft 3 depending on type. 15hh WHP is 3ft6!
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    08-06-2013, 09:46 AM
  #30
Super Moderator
It is the 'style' of riding in British show classes and Pony Club that makes it easier for children to go into dressage
We were at the bottom of the heap for a long time though compared to other European countries and its by recognizing where we were going wrong - I think part of that was in the thinking that dressage was some mysterious complicated sport that only a favoured few could cope with and far too out of reach for 'Average Joe or Jane' so not enough people were coming in at the bottom end to even give it a try
Having the right horses to compete at top level has also made a huge difference and we have people like Jennie Loriston Clarke to thank for that but at lower levels its possible to have fun on the average horse and be learning a lot while you do. A know lots of people who've gone that route and been able to then buy a young horse to bring on themselves - and in todays market there are always bargains to be found in sales like Brightwells
Charlotte doesn't come from a wealthy family but she does come from a 'horsey family so had that advantage behind her. She has been riding since she was 2 years old and by age 16 had 4 Horse of the Year show wins and 3 Hickstead wins. It was the training for these show classes that gave her the good grounding for dressage
I found this pic of her on the Supreme Champion pony 12.2 Ardenhall Royal Secret
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