British talent runs deep! And young! *PONY KUR* - Page 5
   

       The Horse Forum > Riding Horses > English Riding > Dressage

British talent runs deep! And young! *PONY KUR*

This is a discussion on British talent runs deep! And young! *PONY KUR* within the Dressage forums, part of the English Riding category

    Like Tree14Likes

     
    LinkBack Thread Tools
        08-06-2013, 03:50 PM
      #41
    Super Moderator
    You don't get to that level of jumping, for the most part, without a clear dedication to dressage. That is where the horse learns to collect, become adjustable in their gaits, bend, balance and engage the haunch for those mighty leaps. One of the reasons the Europeans have often dominated was the strong dressage in these horse's training. I spent more time doing dressage flatwork than I ever did going over fences with my higher level horses.

    Some have done it with the flatter "hunter" type horses, not not many have.
         
    Sponsored Links
    Advertisement
     
        08-06-2013, 04:09 PM
      #42
    Green Broke
    Weezilla, show ponies, show hunter and working hunters have age restrictions on them to do with the height of the rider. 12hh ponies is 12 yrs old, 13hh 14 yrs old, 14hh 17 yrs old, 15hh is 20 yrs old.
    Cradle stakes classes are for pponies not exceeding 12hh and riders not older than 9
    Nursery stakes is for ponies not exceeding 13hh and riders not exceeding 12yrs old.

    In the M&M classes there are no age splits and children compete against adults, in dressage often there are no age splits and you compete against adults, junior classes are a fairly new thing.
         
        08-06-2013, 04:20 PM
      #43
    Weanling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by ~*~anebel~*~    
    Yes Wee, but there is not one single dressage rider on that list... Which is the point of what Faye is arguing.
    Posted via Mobile Device
    Yup you're right. Must learn to read for comprehension. Some day...
         
        08-06-2013, 04:29 PM
      #44
    Green Broke
    Sorry for the off topic... But I love how this thread has diverted in so many ways, all related to the OP and the depth people are going in to.

    Love you guys, and dressage! Aha :)
         
        08-06-2013, 04:37 PM
      #45
    Super Moderator
    Weezilla - My mistake - QH's seem to come up more than anything else when you do that search and they do have a very different style
    A lot of UK show jumpers also do dressage training - but for the most its the basic riding style we start out in anyway if you learn at an approved place and not somewhere you just sit on a horse, kick and steer in a vague direction of where you want to end up. The majority of young riders have a clear grasp of collection by the time they get into the open showjumping ring as they wouldn't go far without it.
    I'm still really not sure how the US show classes are judged - is it on the horse/pony or on the rider or both?
    We don't have 'Equitation' classes in the UK other than at some local shows we have a thing called "Best Rider' and you can enter on any sort of horse or pony you have and split into Lead rein, Junior and adults
    All other show classes are judged on the horse/pony (obviously the better riders will have an advantage)
    Show ponies are types based on suitability - lead rein, first ridden and split by height - now in cm. But in riding pony it used to be under 12.2 (lead rein) 12.2, 13.2 & 14.2 with novice classes as well. They are judged on performance and conformation.
    Show hunter ponies and Working hunter ponies (over fences) are measured on the 12hh, 13hh, 14hh and 15hh (whatever that is now in cm)
    Also judged on suitability (they have to look as if they will do a days hunting), performance and conformation
    Then there are the Mountain and Moorland classes & coloured horse and pony classes
    I'm sure that Faye can add more to that list
    It does help I think that the UK is such a small country that most people have really easy access to a decent show every weekend and easier access to a bigger range of trainers
    Typical show pony type
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dc0wHEkTmPY
    Show pony in a championship class where winners of all sections compete against each other
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dc0wHEkTmPY
    UK pony jumping which is also split into height & age categories and goes from the very novice at local show level to the top JA level
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K52vPvG3GzI
    And this is a new class since I had anything to do with kids and jumping ponies which is judged on style and performance to encourage better riding skills in young people
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTZX7sFbgdA
         
        08-06-2013, 04:55 PM
      #46
    Green Broke
    Jaydee, better examples of the show pony championships.
    The smaller riders in this class are likely under 10 yrs old and know how to ride a pony in a decent outline and correctly
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGXE3FyS_oE
    These are the M&M first riddens, the riders in this class are all under 8
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NV1VbhdBEbc
         
        08-06-2013, 05:28 PM
      #47
    Trained
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by faye    
    jaydee, better examples of the show pony championships.
    The smaller riders in this class are likely under 10 yrs old and know how to ride a pony in a decent outline and correctly
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGXE3FyS_oE
    These are the M&M first riddens, the riders in this class are all under 8
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NV1VbhdBEbc
    Oh look at how much they are leaning back and the ineffective seats!!



    Not.

    I'd dare ANY region in NA to turn out that many 8 year olds who ride like that - or even 18 year olds!!!
    THAT is learning to ride - not having the sun shine out from ones rear end.

    THANK YOU faye and jaydee for the videos!!
         
        08-06-2013, 05:48 PM
      #48
    Green Broke
    The british show ring is where Charlotte dujardin learnt to ride, William fox pitt showed workers and pippa funnel did her time in the show ring too.

    Gives a very good basic level of riding and schooling ability and I can garentee that the majority of those ponies are NOT push button rides. Drugs testing is also very strict and regular random drugs test are conducted so non of those ponies will have had any calmers or bute or anything else that may take the edge off them (unlike a story that hit the UK news about show horses in the US that routinely are doped before thier class and one dropped dead in the ring).

    The saying is that the quirky ones are the good ones, they are the ones with the x factor to win at that level so none will be easy rides.
    ~*~anebel~*~ likes this.
         
        08-06-2013, 05:55 PM
      #49
    Trained
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by faye    
    The british show ring is where Charlotte dujardin learnt to ride, William fox pitt showed workers and pippa funnel did her time in the show ring too.

    Gives a very good basic level of riding and schooling ability and I can garentee that the majority of those ponies are NOT push button rides. Drugs testing is also very strict and regular random drugs test are conducted so non of those ponies will have had any calmers or bute or anything else that may take the edge off them (unlike a story that hit the UK news about show horses in the US that routinely are doped before thier class and one dropped dead in the ring).

    The saying is that the quirky ones are the good ones, they are the ones with the x factor to win at that level so none will be easy rides.

    Oh gosh - if NA national federations have to issue a statement about giving life threatening (calming) drugs to horses.. well what does that say about the level of sport??
    "Just a reminder that it's illegal to inject dangerous substances into your horse while on the show grounds" No poop Sherlock!!
    Who would even administer IV Magnesium with a clear conscience!?!?!
         
        08-06-2013, 06:08 PM
      #50
    Green Broke
    Showing competitors are tested to either FEI or Jockey club drugs rules (dependant on the society you are showing under). Being subject to a random drugs test is very scarey and the conciquences for having stuff in the horses system normaly include being banned from that society for a length of time (sometimes life), fines and national humiliation as they publish results in the horse and hound magazine which is the UK's equestrian weekly bible.
         

    Thread Tools

    Similar Threads
    Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
    Neeko&a pony. And proof of his talent. Janna Horse Pictures 3 11-07-2012 10:53 PM
    Fancy 13.2 British Riding Pony For Sale..How much should he be going for? teafortwo Horses for Sale 0 08-17-2010 05:45 PM
    Training young pony 4 pony rides ILuv2ride Horse Training 0 07-07-2009 07:38 PM
    Which do you prefer: Deep-seat, half-deep (CS) or flat? hrsrdr Horse Tack and Equipment 3 11-23-2008 12:02 AM



    All times are GMT -4. The time now is 04:34 AM.


    Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.5
    Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
    Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.6.0