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  • Lame horse sound on bute
  • Horse lameness sound on bute

 
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    11-26-2009, 12:57 AM
  #111
Trained
Forgot to add that i'm 100% with Spastic.

^ I was responding to Stormy who said she had NEVER seen bute mask lameness.
     
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    11-26-2009, 11:22 AM
  #112
Foal
Exactly. .5-1gram of bute is like popping two advil.

I don't know about you guys, but when I seriously injure myself, I skip the advil and go right to the good stuff. Advil is barely enough to take the sting out of getting your BRACES tightened.

.5-1gram of bute 12 HOURS BEFORE THE COMPETITION won't make a lame horse sound. I even doubt that they'll make a lame horse even slightly less lame. It will, however, take away minor aches and stiffness, which all animals get occasionally regardless of conditioning, and what's done to prevent them.

The way I see it, this level of bute isn't enough to allow a horse who could not compete without them sound enough to compete.

In other words, this level of bute won't determine which horses compete or not. If a horse can't compete without bute, taking .5 grams won't change that.

What .5 grams WILL change is the %2 more comfort they'll get from taking an 'advil equivalent'.




By the way, for the reccord, after a long, hard show day my barn gives all the horses a little bit of bute, we cold hose, we poultice and we wrap their legs.

Show days are 'harder than average' days for the horses (we don't jump a lot at home considering we don't want to overjump them), sometimes the footing is questionable, they've been on a long trailer ride and standing around all day.
     
    11-26-2009, 11:56 AM
  #113
Trained
Quote:
Originally Posted by wild_spot    
Bute won't improve vision one bit.



I had a pony who bowed both front tendons - A few weeks after he did it, while on bute he was moving around like a normal, sound pony. It can and does mask lameness.

I've mentioned SEVERAL times in this thread that I personally know a horse who was mildly lame - Was buted to compete at a national comp, and as a consequence was injured enough to become unride-able.
Yes, but was the pony doing an FEI dressasge test?? No. In fact I bet if you hopped on him and rode him for 10 minutes, he would look lame. And I'm also sure he was on a lot more than 1 gram, 24 hours before that.

This is not about buting lame horses for an FEI competition - as I've stated before anyone with an FEI horse worth hundreds of thousands of dollars is not going to be stupid enough to bute it for one show. This is about buting as a preventative because the horses are placed under higher stresses at a show, especially an international CDI!!!
At a CDI from a 3* up, they also do a "jog". If there is an inkling that the horse might be just a little off, then it's out. Buting is not going to cover up anything beyond a little bit of stiff/sore from the extra stresses placed on them. They will catch any true lamenesses in the jog and the horse will not be allowed to compete. FEI veterinarians are very highy trained and can catch a lameness nearly instantly, whether it has been buted or not, ESPECIALLY at such a low dose of bute!
     
    11-26-2009, 03:31 PM
  #114
Trained
^ I WAS RESPONDING TO STORMY WHO SAID SHE HAD NEVER SEEN BUTE MASK LAMENESS AT ANY DOSE!!!!!

Please read what I write. I was in no way saying that the amount of bute now allowed would have anything near the same effect.
     
    11-26-2009, 03:57 PM
  #115
Green Broke
Did I ever say that bute improved vision? No. I said it reduced swelling feom the injury.
     
    11-26-2009, 06:41 PM
  #116
Banned
Say your horse hurt a tendon or something and you give it bute and run it in a race and what happens if it hurts itself even more will the rider know or will the pain just go away because of the bute
     
    11-26-2009, 06:50 PM
  #117
Trained
Well this is just getting repetative...
     
    11-26-2009, 08:42 PM
  #118
Started
Quote:
Originally Posted by buddy09    
Say your horse hurt a tendon or something and you give it bute and run it in a race and what happens if it hurts itself even more will the rider know or will the pain just go away because of the bute
If a horse has a tendon injury I doubt a little bit of bute is going to make the horse go from really lame to "i feel great, let's go gallop!". Said horse will not be sound to race after bute.

Bute is not the wonder drug that cures every single type of lameness. It doesn't even mask them.

And I agree Spastic... I'm kind of ready for this thread to die now... But for some reason I keep coming back
     
    11-26-2009, 09:27 PM
  #119
Green Broke
Haha, I'm with you there Beau!
     
    11-26-2009, 10:09 PM
  #120
Banned
But wouldn't bute cover up some pain okay fine say it wasn't that serious wouldn't bute cover up the old pain and any new pain? I have never had to and never will use bute but im just wondering about it
     

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