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post #11 of 204 Old 11-20-2009, 08:20 PM
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^^ I thought Joint injections were illegal?

I agree that a small amount is fine.
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post #12 of 204 Old 11-20-2009, 10:56 PM
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I ALWAYS give any horse I show a gram of bute. Heck I usually take an aspirin when im at a show. I see no problem with it.

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I don't ride English but this thread interests me...

~*~anebel~*~- So what you are saying is that it is ok to just bute a horse up(like was said about using an older horse for competition) so they can still perform? Obviously if the horse needs all that extra care and money to keep it showing, it doesn't need to be shown, that is just cruel to force it to keep going when it has deteriorated(due to age or whatever) to that point. That is just poor horsemanship and selfishness. If showing is your livelihood then you should have no problem shelling out the extra dough to keep your horse in the best condition possible, not drug it. You should adhere to that strict schedule, after all you are a competitor and so is your horse. Your animal deserves that necessary care to keep it going, not drugs as a cheap fix to the problem... Done with my rant, Sorry if I stepped on any toes here.

Now I do agree with using a little bute as kind of an "aspirin effect" to prevent soreness during long multi-day and strenuous competition, ON FIT HORSES that don't NEED it to compete. Heck if I was a horse and had to work out like that, in a few days I'd want something to keep me from feeling like crap too, sore muscles suck. I assume it will be monitored and have like a maximum accepted level of use, so, I say yay for competition horses who don't have to go through the sore muscle slump!

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This is just going to end up with a bunch of people showing sore horses. I do understand how bute works.
Competitions have gone fine in the past without the horses needing to be on bute. I don't compete in sports when I am sore and I don't expect my horses to either.
If your horse is sore, pull him.
Sure I can see cases where this could be okay, unfortunatly I see this as something that has a very large chance for abuse.
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They are restricting the dosage and the time it can be taken from up to a competition, so I see nothing wrong with it. With the low dose, you wouldn't be able to mask any serious problems, and with the time limit (24 hours before competition I believe) it would merely serve as a muscle relaxant. Absolutely no different than a human athlete taking a tylenol after/before a hard work out. We allow ourselves to have a little help in order to perform better - and comfortably - why shouldn't horses be allowed that same priveledge?
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They are restricting the dosage and the time it can be taken from up to a competition, so I see nothing wrong with it. With the low dose, you wouldn't be able to mask any serious problems, and with the time limit (24 hours before competition I believe) it would merely serve as a muscle relaxant. Absolutely no different than a human athlete taking a tylenol after/before a hard work out. We allow ourselves to have a little help in order to perform better - and comfortably - why shouldn't horses be allowed that same priveledge?
I agree 100% I usually take advil on the mornign of a show day (haha mainly ebcause im running around so much I would hate to be sore for the few minutes I have to perform!) and we trailer for quite a while before we get to the show grounds, so I can imagine that the horses might be a little sore after the trailer ride (ine arent, we walk them for a long time after) but some horses that are a little older might be.

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I don't know. I am kinda on the fence about this one. One one side, I can agree with allowing very low doses for fit and sound horses that may have mild soreness after a strenuous workout. But the horse should be left out of work until the soreness or lameness is gone and they are completely off the bute.

On the other hand, if the horse is fit and completely prepared to be competed on at any stress level, there should be no resulting soreness. I do agree wholeheartedly with Spastic. Bute would be so easy to abuse and who exactly are they going to get to monitor how much the horses are recieving? Sometimes a small limp or mis-step every few strides is the only warning sign of a bout of founder or navicular or abcess or sprained tendon or strained joint. How many more horses are going to end up with serious joint and hoof problems because instead of seeing the early warning signs for what they could be, they are covered with bute. Then the horses are still in competition or full work and the signs aren't obvious until serious damage is already done, because they were given "aspirin" to alleviate what was thought of as soreness, not a rising issue.

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I don't know. I am kinda on the fence about this one. One one side, I can agree with allowing very low doses for fit and sound horses that may have mild soreness after a strenuous workout. But the horse should be left out of work until the soreness or lameness is gone and they are completely off the bute.

On the other hand, if the horse is fit and completely prepared to be competed on at any stress level, there should be no resulting soreness. I do agree wholeheartedly with Spastic. Bute would be so easy to abuse and who exactly are they going to get to monitor how much the horses are recieving? Sometimes a small limp or mis-step every few strides is the only warning sign of a bout of founder or navicular or abcess or sprained tendon or strained joint. How many more horses are going to end up with serious joint and hoof problems because instead of seeing the early warning signs for what they could be, they are covered with bute. Then the horses are still in competition or full work and the signs aren't obvious until serious damage is already done, because they were given "aspirin" to alleviate what was thought of as soreness, not a rising issue.
Same as in a human athlete, you need to push past muscle stiffness and soreness. If you back off all the time, you are perpetually making it worse, because you are weakening the muscle and not strengthening it. Its why, when you are starting a workout, you are sore the next day, but need to go back to the gym to restretch those muscles so that they lengthen and don't seize up. And its why they invented tylenol and asprin :P so that you don't bitch TOO much about having to go back to the gym the very next day :P

They will be monitoring it, same as they would any drug. Drug tests are still going to be performed and the riders better understand the dosage that the horses are allowed, otherwise it will be considered doping.

And I disagree that bute will cause more problems than its worth. Not at this level. Maybe for the backyard breeders that are riding their horse for 5 hours at a time and buting them up so that Sparky can go on another trail ride or lesson. But these are competition horses who are in front of international judges. If something is REALLY wrong with the horse, no amount of bute (especially the low dose that is allowed at this time!) will mask that.
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I don't think it should be legal. If the horse is sore or not feeling well, don't expect him to perform. Masking soreness will not help the horse later. I can see, if bute is legal, this becoming a big problem with people pushing their horses too far for the sake of being able to compete. If the horse tends to get stiff in a stall, then it's up to the owner to get out and walk the horse around and give him light exercise and make sure he's warmed up properly before doing the class, instead of giving him something to mask it. My personal opinion.
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I don't think bute should be legalized UNLESS the horse has a vet's note or something stating the reason that the horse has the bute in its system, how much, and if they are ok to compete.

Ultimately, the rider should know whether the horse is ok to compete that day or not. So, i'm on the fence about this one.

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