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post #11 of 19 Old 05-07-2009, 06:36 PM
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Very strange, Spyder, I've never heard anyone say that of western trained horses... makes me wonder. I'll have to do some research, because you've got me curious, ha ha.
I view many, many forums and I see this method used over and over. Rarely ever on an english trained horse but whether it was done by a professional or amateur as a training way or as a "it didn't work so put the head to the outside and you will get the canter " as part of a thread reply it is out there.

I disagree with Sixxofdiamonds "kiss" as part of a request for canter/lope also. It must be very noisy in a western arena with all that kissing and "clucking" (another verbal western aid) going on. If you "kissed" to my horse and he would have a clue what all that noise is about....although he may think that you have food for him.

The one thing that has always had me wondering is...............do you kiss or cluck differently for a left lead lope than for a right lead lope???
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.............do you kiss or cluck differently for a left lead lope than for a right lead lope???[/quote]

Lol, this made me giggle. I agree and disagree with all of you lol. I have found (after trying out several horses to buy both wetsern and english trained) that the majority have been taught the correct way to pick up the canter. The only horse I've tried that you had to turn it's head out was a western trained horse. My friend said she used to ride a pony who was western trained also that you had to do that with. I'm not saying it is wrong to teach it that way or that all western trained horses are taught that way, it just isn't what I want in a horse. As for the clucking, it works for some.

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Spyder - the reason that I kiss is because I can make him do things from the ground. I use voice commands so that he knows whether I'm on him or next to him, I'm asking the same thing.

You typically kiss for a lope/canter and cluck for a trot. Some people can't kiss or can't cluck and will use both interchangeably.

I know even if I'm out in my horses' pasture, if I kiss, that means to lope. I can lope him in hand if I ask for it. A cluck means trot, whether I have a halter on him or am on his back or am twenty feet away in a field.

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Spyder - the reason that I kiss is because I can make him do things from the ground. I use voice commands so that he knows whether I'm on him or next to him, I'm asking the same thing.

You typically kiss for a lope/canter and cluck for a trot. Some people can't kiss or can't cluck and will use both interchangeably.

I know even if I'm out in my horses' pasture, if I kiss, that means to lope. I can lope him in hand if I ask for it. A cluck means trot, whether I have a halter on him or am on his back or am twenty feet away in a field.
Slightly off topic but if you go kissing (meant for the horse) and a male rider is riding next to you....do you sneak off to the hayshed together ?????
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Ha ha. I don't kiss differently for either lead, just use a different leg. I use kissing and clucking interchangeably - either means lope, both under saddle or on the ground. Daisy also responds to the words "walk," "trot," and "canter," both under saddle and on the ground. Usually. Lol. She's very verbal. When I'm lunging, she'll also transition from walk to trot on the phrase "get up" and trot to canter on the phrase "pick it up." Though I think I taught her that accidentally by using those as encouragement while working her, ha ha.

Also, I lied. I HAVE seen that done, where they bend to the outside to ask for the correct lead. I actually saw it on RFD-TV on one of the training shows, I thought it was completely bizarre. But they were doing it on both English and Western horses, so I don't know what was going on. I thought it was really weird.
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Slightly off topic but if you go kissing (meant for the horse) and a male rider is riding next to you....do you sneak off to the hayshed together ?????

Only if it's my husband. I might get a few raised eyebrows if it was some random other guy. Ha!

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Spyder - the reason that I kiss is because I can make him do things from the ground. I use voice commands so that he knows whether I'm on him or next to him, I'm asking the same thing.

You typically kiss for a lope/canter and cluck for a trot. Some people can't kiss or can't cluck and will use both interchangeably.

I know even if I'm out in my horses' pasture, if I kiss, that means to lope. I can lope him in hand if I ask for it. A cluck means trot, whether I have a halter on him or am on his back or am twenty feet away in a field.


Completely agreed! My horses are the same, I use those cues while riding outside of the show ring only, if I'm in the show ring, nothing comes out of my mouth.
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well atleast ur horse will do counter canter :P. Just keep trying is my advise. Try picking it up in corners and really using ur inside leg.

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I am a western rider and only once have I heard of tipping the head to the outside of the cirlce. It came from an english instructor. I was so very confused when she told me this. It goes against everything I was taught.
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